Differential Q (E30 '84 3.18i M10)

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Well,after a lot of research and googling and discussions in other BMW Forums,I found out that my '84 318i has a 3.64:1 open diff (http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/e30drive.htm) or a 3.91:1 open diff (according to a BMW datasheet I found on a forum) or I dont even know what ! I mean WTF ?!? I never thought that finding out what diff is on my car is sooo difficult!
I expected that saying that it was a manual 4 speed 3.18i (1984) would be enough,but...[:(!] [:(!] [:(!] [?|] [?|] [?|] [mad] [:(] [xx(]
Anyway,the car was originally bought in Belgium if that is of any help,and I d like to know what LSD could/should I buy and install on it.
Does the fact that in 4th gear at 3850rpm the speedo shows 100km/h help anyone ?!?
Please,if you can help me,do so-I m at a complete loss over here...
Thanx in Advance!
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MAx Velocity is abt 180km/h (4th redlined!) and I also would like to keep fuel economy levels as they re now...I dont want anything extreme-just the same performance but with an LSD !
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According to http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/tdiffgea.htm,and taking into account that the tyres are 185/65/15 ( ie tire diameter is 24.4 inches- correct me of I did the math wrong) and using 3,91 as my diff ratio,it says that at 3850rpm my speed shoud have been 71mph and not 62mph as it really is...WTF is worng here ?!? Anyway,the same number assuming I have a 3.64 open diff,is 76mph-way off the real figure.
Based on this,is it safe to say that I have a 3.91 open diff after all ?!?
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I say the 3.91 LSD differential is the best upgrade for that car. I have the same car, installed the 3.91 LSD, and it brought the rpms up a bit, but nothing to run home crying about. It made the car have alot of get up and go for city driving and highway passing. I enjoy it a little too much as a matter of fact. :p The 4.10 would be a bad idea, as you would rev way too high as compoared to the 3.64. It would be very unbenificial on that car for highway driving.

The 318i's final drive goes as this:
Final drive: 3.64:1 older than 11/83, and 3.91:1 newer than 11/83
the 3.91 was offered in the car, but only after a certain date.
Find you MFG date of the car with the sticker at the drivers side door.

Best way to find out how much you are losing by going to a lower differential is to follow this example:


Take your current gear ratio, and subtract it from the new ratio. Divide the difference by the original ratio and multiply the result by 100. This will give you your percentage change.

Example:

Current ratio 3.15
Desired ratio 3.46

3.46 - 3.15 = 0.31

0.31 / 3.15 = 0.098

0.098 x 100 = 9.80

Your difference is 9.8%. Now, you can take your current rpm at any given speed and add 9.8% to see your new engine speed. If you are currently turning 3000rpm at 70mph with a 3.15:1 differential, you will be turning 3294rpm with a 3.46:1 differential.

The major gain here is getting the engine into it's peak power band at a 10% lower lower road speed, which translates to faster acceleration.

I say thats the BEST way to decide what ratio in a differential you need.
If you are worried about topseed, you can follow this "theoretical topspeed calculation"

What is theoretical top speed?

Theoretical top speed is the mathematical calculation of maximum engine rpm, divided by the top gear ratio of the transmission, divided by the differential ratio, which gives the number of wheel rotations per minute. When you take the circumference of the wheel and divide it into a mile, you can determine the minutes taken to cover a mile, or, the miles per hour the vehicle will travel.

Example*:

Maximum engine rpm 7000
Top gear ratio 0.83:1
Differential ratio 3.15:1
Wheel circumference 80 inches

7000 / 0.83 = 8434 driveshaft revolutions per minute.
8434 / 3.15 = 2677 wheel revolutions per minute

Inches in one mile = 63,360
63,360 / 80 = 792 wheel revolutions per mile.

2677 / 792 = 3.38 miles per minute.

3.38 x 60 = 202.8 mph

Most vehicles are incapable of reaching their theoretical top speed, primarily from electronic vehicle speed limiters, but often also from aerodynamics.

*Numbers are for informational purposes only and do not represent any particular model. All figures are rounded to the nearest 100th.

The gear ratio for this car is as follows:
5-speed Getrag 240 (manual)
Ratios:1 (1/2/3/4/5/R): 3.72 / 2.02 / 1.32 / 1.00 / 0.81 / 3.45

I hope this help you out some. These examples were taken from:

http://www.koalamotorsport.com/services/bmw_differentials.htm

for your future reference.
 
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well thats not entirely true. Some cars, like the automatic 318i's came with 4.10 differentials. Some manuals came with the 4.10 too, like the 318iS (M42). It just matters if your engine and your gears are up to it.
Typically if you have a car with lots of low RPM torque (your torque curver is higher in the lower rpms), you want the differential with the smaller number, the "higher" differential (example: 2.93).
If your car has alot of HIGH RPM torque, (your torque curve is higher in the higher rpms) you want the differnetial with the higher number the "lower" differentials (Example 4.10).
 
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Just dropped in a 3.91 diff and boy the M10 feels quick! [hihi]
The diff is an open one (got it from a friend so I cant really complain)
and its definately an improvement over the 3.64 standard one!
Main problem is that my car is 4speed manual...[rolleyes]
My top speed went from 200km/h to 185km/h
but at least it no longers require an airfield to reach these figures!
In terms of 0-60mph figures,things got slightly better too...
I guess I m near 10sec now? What do you reckon?
Anyway,just want to recommend this to everyone with a M10!
N.
 


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