Engine failed to start in cold

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We are just digging out from the Noreaster and I tried to start my 325 today and the engine whined but didn't start. The electricals were all working but the engine failed to start. I pumped on the gas a few times and that made the engine hum a bit, then it died again. I pumped on the gas some more and finally the engine started. Can anyone explain this? Is this the spark plugs or lack of fuel or frozen fuel in the lines? How to prevent this from happening in the next storm? I actually got all the snow off the car 3 days ago and the temperature wasn't even that low today, in the 40F's.

BTW, the same thing happened to my Passat today, I also pumped the gas and the engine started reluctantly. Does this hurt the engine?

This never happened to my old 528.
 

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Sounds like there is not enough juice flowing to your generator. If your batter connectors are not tight you could have starting problems during cold. I had a similar issue that with colder and colder weather engine was harder to start... it was a nut that was not all the way screwed. Before replacing anything check the wire under the "red box" under the hood and the batter in the trunk. :)
 

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Could be frozen fuel lines, however in the newer cars with fuel injection, pumping the gas won't do anything. They sell fuel additives similar to this http://www.prestone.com/products/47.htm to prevent the fuel lines from freezing. Might want to give that a shot.

Redline and Amsoil also have similar products. Just do a search on google.
 
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Tom said:
Could be frozen fuel lines, however in the newer cars with fuel injection, pumping the gas won't do anything.
It depends on the car actually. A number of cars will when pushing the gas to the floor with the key on will be put into a mode that injects extra fuel.

Steve
 

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Steve Neu said:
It depends on the car actually. A number of cars will when pushing the gas to the floor with the key on will be put into a mode that injects extra fuel.

Steve
Thanks for the extra info Steve.
 
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So I found the answer to this problem on the VW Vortex site, I didn't know about the "cold start syndrome" Here is an explanation I found. I think this is what happened since I did move the cars briefly during the storm.

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The problem described bellow is related to my Audi A6, but since this seems
to be related to the Bosch control unit, I post it in this news group as
well.

Problem:
I have for the second time run into a cold start problem with my Audi A6
1.8T (AEB) 1999 mod. The problem is as follows: After car has been run for a
short period (< 1 min), parked and left for some time (> 1 hour), the motor
fails sto start. This is known as the "Car Wash" syndrome or "Flooding"
syndrome. There are no diagnostics code from the control unit. I both cases
I had to take the car on a truck to the Audi dealer. Their standard
"procedure" is replacing spark plugs and then everything is "fine". In my
mind this is treating the symptoms rather than the source. The failure
described here seems to be a common problem for many German care makes and
most pointers are haeding at the Bosch engine control unit which is located
in most German cars. There are different opinions on wheather this is a
"bug" or a "feature". Let me explain why:

The "bug" hypotesis:
The ECM unit have three phases of the engine control program: Cold-Cold,
Cold-Warm and Warm-Warm, where the first is the temp. of the coolant andt
the second is the temp of the engine. When the engine is started (cold) the
Cold-Cold program is used to flush gas into the engine (same effect as the
old choke), then quite fast moves into the cold-warm program mode which
gradually dilute the gas mixture until the warm-warm mode is reached. The
problem seems to occure when the engine is stopped in the Cold-Warm mode.
Some people speculate that there is a software bug which locks the control
unit into the Cold-Warm mode next time the you try to start the engine -
unsucsessfully. Because of the lock-up next time you try to start the
engine, to little gas is injected into the combustion camber and the engine
faiuls to start. The other hypotesis is that there is still a to rich
mixture in the combustion camber when the car is stopped in the cold-warm
mode. Then, next time the engine is started in the cold-cold mode, the gas
flush into an already flooded chamber gives an ignition failure. This
hypothesis is well supported by coated spark plugs which is a typical
phenomenon observed when this problem occures.

The "feature" hypotesis:
The cold-warm start problem can also been seen as a "feature", as it is ment
to protect the CAT from beeing flushed with unburned gas. Therefore one of
the work around solutions on the net is "...cranking the engine for at least
30 sek with gas pedal floored. This will eventually flush air through the
engine and dry up everything. Many people reports that this seems to be
working.

Are there anyone, especially with particular knowledge to the Bosch Motorinc
control unit which can explain whats really going on here? Or, eventually
point to official sources of information giving a "official" solution to the
problem? It could be a program upgarde or a "safe" work-around" procedure.
 


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