Mustang 5.0 O2 Sensor?

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Is it true that I can use a 88 5.0 v8 mustang O2 sensor in my (10/87 production!!!!!) 1988 325is??

I've heard this a lot, and it will be the difference between a $40, and a $120 sensor... so If the mustang o2 sensor is the same thing then yea, that's what i will use!!
 
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funny, i just came across this today. you can use the same model mustang injectors, upgrade purposes only tho. here is some info for you eirc

1987 E30 325E Sensor Bosch Part #13008 (3 Wire) $124.00
1989 E30 325I Sensor Bosch Part #13064 (4 Wire) $83.99
1990 Ford Mustang 5.0 Sensor Bosch Part #13942 (3 Wire) *$35.99*

As you can see, quite a price difference. Gotta love that BMW markup.

Items you need
O2 sensor for the Ford Mustang
Wire cutter
Wire stripper
Wire screws or bullet connectors or that wire heatshrink stuff
Wrench to remove/replace O2 sensor


Procedure

1. Open hood, and find your O2 sensor. It's located on your exhaust manifold downpipe, after the headers, but before the catalytic converter. I found it's best to do this procedure when your car is cool, as you don't want to burn yourself on hot exhaust pipes and such.

2. Follow the leads back to where the sensor plugs into the connector. It was a funny looking connector on the bottom underside shelf of where the battery might be if it was in my hood, except my battery is in the trunk. Turn it counterclockwise and unscrew it until you can remove the connector from the housing. Then remove the wire from the clips which fasten it to the firewall. Take off the little debris shield from the O2 sensor, and use a wrench to remove the sensor by unscrewing it counterclockwise. I had to use a little WD-40 on mine. DON't STRIP THE THREADS!!!

3. Notice how the connector on your old BMW O2 sensor differs from the connector on the Ford O2 sensor. You will have to use your old connector. Cut the wires on your old sensor near the sensor, leaving you plenty of lead from the old connector. Cut the wires on the new Ford sensor near the connector, leaving you plenty of lead from the new sensor.

4. Strip the wires on all leads, giving you a lot of room to use wire screws or bullet connectors or whatever you're going to use to splice the wires back together. I believe soldering them will not work, but i'm not too sure on that. Try to save the heat jacket to cover your handywork up later on.

5. If you have the old 3 wire BMW sensor, then it's a direct splice to the Ford wires. Black to black, and 1 white to 1 white. I believe that it does not matter which white wire goes to which lead, as they're just for heating. If you have the old 4 wire BMW sensor, then the fourth grey wire is a ground. just ground it to the chassis, or to the new O2 sensor itself. I used wire screws to make the connection, you can use bullet connectors, heat shrinkwrap, etc etc.

6. Screw the new O2 sensor back into your exhaust pipe, be careful that you DO NOT STRIP THE THREADS. The new Ford O2 sensor I bought came with some anti-seize compound already on the threads of the new sensor. If it doesn't, you may want to apply some.

7. Reinstall the debris shield. Reclip the wire back to the firewall, and then reattach the connector back into the housing. This last one took me a little while to get back in, as it's not easy to see how the grooves line up correctly on the 2 mating parts.

8. That's it. You may want to disconnect your battery to get rid of any old fault codes stored in your computer. 1444 is sooooo much nicer. Enjoy your new O2 sensor!!!

Chris Chow
 
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hmmm - how would soldering them not work? I would never wire-nut anything except for a mains circuit in an electrical box. Wire-nutting and crimp-connectors are very unprofessional, unreliable and look like crap. If you want to do it right clean everything real well, solder the wires together and use heatshrink tubing to seal them up.
 
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Pink_Floyd said:
hmmm - how would soldering them not work? I would never wire-nut anything except for a mains circuit in an electrical box. Wire-nutting and crimp-connectors are very unprofessional, unreliable and look like crap. If you want to do it right clean everything real well, solder the wires together and use heatshrink tubing to seal them up.
I agree 100% - much cleaner, more durable, and in many cases, safer to solder wires instead of using butt splices or wire nuts. I would never wire nut anything on a car, especially something prone to vibration. I also don't understand why they said soldering wouldn't work.
 

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Pink_Floyd said:
hmmm - how would soldering them not work? I would never wire-nut anything except for a mains circuit in an electrical box. Wire-nutting and crimp-connectors are very unprofessional, unreliable and look like crap. If you want to do it right clean everything real well, solder the wires together and use heatshrink tubing to seal them up.
I'll be soldiering it!! but, the reason i'm not buying OE is because the difference between $120 + shipping, or $40 + tax for the same sensor.

Picked up the 13275 sensor, it was 40 bucks [:)]
 
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xLibelle said:
you know, i see this so often... and it doesnt make sense. i do electronics for a living and nothing says wire connection like solder does.
Soldier + those wire = bad. I couldnt get the soldier to stay (mrferg also did an O2 sensor today and said he had to sand the wires down a bit).

I just used terminals + heat shrink wrapping and its absolutely great.

My gas mileage went from 19.2 mpg to 24.2 mpg, that's city driving too!!
 
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you dont melt the soulder with the iron, you heat the wires and melt the solder on the wires

(i just assume thats what you did because soulder will stick to anything, if its hot enough)
 

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xLibelle said:
you dont melt the soulder with the iron, you heat the wires and melt the solder on the wires

(i just assume thats what you did because soulder will stick to anything, if its hot enough)
Yes that's what I did, but the terminals were much easier and sturdier.
 
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I just sanded the wire down, it had some coating on it (aluminium?) which repelled the solder. I took some fine sandpaper, sanded it down a bit, and soldered it up nicely. I too do electronics for work so this was nothing.
 

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I just sanded the wire down, it had some coating on it (aluminium?) which repelled the solder. I took some fine sandpaper, sanded it down a bit, and soldered it up nicely. I too do electronics for work so this was nothing.
I enjoyed my crimping method.
 
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Soldering is not always recommended for installations and is sometimes warned against. I am not sure why. I am also an electronics tech and have been soldering since I was a kid (my dad was a ham radio operator and built his own gear.) But I have never had an issue with using butt splices. When properly applied they are very secure and provide an excellent connection. Solder flux is corrosive and can eventually cause wires to fail if not cleaned properly afterward. A cold solder joint can also cause problems.

If it were me I would stagger the connections with butt connectors (i.e., make the cuts in the wires so the connections are not next to each other), cover them individually with heat shrink, and finally cover them all with heat shrink. It makes for a very neat cable that will last a long time.

YMMV.

Steve
 

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bichmgnt said:
If it were me I would stagger the connections with butt connectors (i.e., make the cuts in the wires so the connections are not next to each other), cover them individually with heat shrink, and finally cover them all with heat shrink. It makes for a very neat cable that will last a long time.
That is 100% exactly what I did -- i also wrapped each end of the bigger heat shrink tubing to keep any moisture out.
 
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You should have picked up a 200watt solder gun and went to work on those wires. Chances are the normal 30 watt pen type wasnt enough. I've never come across a wire I couldn't solder. One time it seemed like nothing worked but really I just needed to get the wires hotter.
 

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You should have picked up a 200watt solder gun and went to work on those wires. Chances are the normal 30 watt pen type wasnt enough. I've never come across a wire I couldn't solder. One time it seemed like nothing worked but really I just needed to get the wires hotter.
I used this beast... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4328

even rosin core solder would just fall off the wires -- the solder melted just not onto the wires.
 
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You should have picked up a 200watt solder gun and went to work on those wires. Chances are the normal 30 watt pen type wasnt enough. I've never come across a wire I couldn't solder. One time it seemed like nothing worked but really I just needed to get the wires hotter.
The three most important things about soldering are clean wires, clean soldering tip, and flux. Oxidation can keep solder from adhering to the wire. Clean wires allow the solder to adhere to the wire. Flux helps the solder flow. Most solders have flux within their cores but solder paste still helps. The soldering tip must be cleaned as well as the wire and tinned so that solder flows on it as well. If the tip of the iron is black with crud, lightly file the tip to a point, let it heat up, stick it in the flux and tin the tip with solder.

Other helpful tools include a solder sucker or some solder wick to pull away excess solder from a joint you want to clean up or take apart. A wet sponge helps to keep the tip of the soldering iron clean. A small stand to keep the the iron from burning stuff is a good idea.

To solder, let the iron get good and hot and make sure the tip is well tinned. Apply some flux to the end of one wire and apply the tip to the wire and let it get hot. While still applying heat apply some solder to the wire, not the soldering iron. The idea is to have the solder get wicked up into the wire. Do the same with the other wire or to whatever it is you're soldering. Apply heat and put the two tinned ends together. When the solder flows between the two (you may need to add a bit) take the heat away and hold the wire in place until it cools. The resulting joint should be clean and shiny. If it is dull and rough or if the wire is moved before the solder is solid, the joint should be heated up again and resoldered.

A lot of heat is not necessary and wires 10 gage and smaller can all be soldered with a 40 watt pencil iron when proper technique is applied. A 200 watt gun with a trigger is nice but unless you're going to do some serious work like build a ham radio or weld up a bumper hitch, it really is overkill.

Steve
 


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