sun roof noisy when opened?

mikemac

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I have a 330Ci and the sunroof seems noisy at fwy speeds when I have it open even a few inches. There is a bar that pops up that has a toothed pattern in it and that seems to be the cause of the noise. If I hold it down by hand there is still a roar but it is a lot less disturbing than the louder sound with the bar out in the wind.

What is the bar for? Has anyone else noticed this? Is there a way to keep the bar from popping up?
 

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Are you thinking something is broken?

Yeah it makes some noise...like an open window (but less). If I hold down my wind deflector down I get crazy vibrations from the rear of the cabin where the air is collecting.
 

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mikemac said:
I have a 330Ci and the sunroof seems noisy at fwy speeds when I have it open even a few inches.
Had you ever tried to open it completely? From my expirience, the noise is loudest when sunroof is opened just a few inches, it becomes much better when sunroof is opened all the way. Cannot explain this observation, though. ;)
 

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Epi330 said:
Had you ever tried to open it completely? From my expirience, the noise is loudest when sunroof is opened just a few inches, it becomes much better when sunroof is opened all the way. Cannot explain this observation, though. ;)

I didn't have it open all the way, just about 6 inches. I will try opening it all the way today when I go home from work. Someone else asked about the other windows, and I have them closed.
 
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Actually, it's Bernoulli's Principle

The "toothed bar" does pop up to deflect air, but not for the express puspose of quieting the sound of rushing air. Try cruising along at 50 mph or more and manually hold down the bar with the sunroof all the way open and all your windows closed - it'll be pretty damn uncomfortable, not just noisy.

Bernoulli's Principle deals with the characteristics of moving air & pressure differentials. Bernoulli realized that, as fluid accelerates, the pressure exerted by the fluid decreases. It turns out that the molecules composing the fluid use up their energy for acceleration and therefore have less energy available to exert pressure.

Big deal, right? Well, the application of these phenomena to moving airstreams led to the development of the wing (man-made wing) and modern air travel. As air accelerates up & over the curved wing top surface, it has to accelerate to make it over and it therefore exerts less pressure on the wingtop. The air passing underneath the wing exerts more pressure (relativistically speaking) and therefore lifts the airplane.

Look at your BMW from the side: it's more or less shaped like a wing...meaning flat on the bottom and curved (longer) across the top. Measure front to back straight underneath and compare to front to back linear dimension up the grill, over the hood, up the windshield, over the roof, down rear windshield, across deck, down to bumper. Bernoulli's Principle applies. When you have the sunroof open and all the side windows closed, you have a conflict between the accelerating, lower pressure air passing directly above the open sunroof. You are sucking air out of the cabin and getting caught in all sorts of eddies & chaos. The little toothed bar just mixes up the air stream a little. Try holding that thing down with your fingers with all your windows up and see what you get.

edit: and the physical effect caused by the principle is indeed called the Bernoulli Effect
 
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and the physical effect caused by the principle is indeed called the Bernoulli Effect
by bad - I have been working on fluid equations all day for a flow test machine (non-compressible flow). I took some aerospace classes in college and just don't remember having heard it called the Bernoulli Effect.
 
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Uncle Rusty said:
It's very cool when I can learn about something like Bernoulli's Principle in an automotive forum.

Thanks for the post!

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haha, yeah. I think I learned more about science here than I ever did in all my high school science classes. College too since I barely took any science courses in college.
 
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I learned about Bernoulli while studying the entrainment & transport of sediment in fluvial environments. I was amazed to learn that the same principles accounting for something as simple as saltation of sand grains were also responsible for human flight. I had an aftermarket pop-up sunroof cut into my 1990 Ford Probe around the same time, and I quickly learned the importance of a wind deflector [wave]
 


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