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[junglestylz]

Exactly what is it about E30's that is so appealing. I have my 1985, I'm getting a 1991, and I am looking to find an E30 M3 sooner or later. I have been trying to figure this out, and I have been asked numerous times why I am so fond of these cars, but I just can't figure it out. I will post some pics of the soon to be miy 1991 red 318is later today.

 

[mrferg]

Same problem here, a newer bimmer would be nice, but I am most likely to buy a 325ic or a M3 next (or an M3 Cabrio, yeah right).
I guess it's because they are drivers cars, the newer cars have so much computer controlled crap in them.

 

[Ryan Stewart]

small, cheap, fun, and there arent 50,000 of them floating around in my city alone.

I got kicked out of a honda meet by saying "Man, I wish 50 other mothers here had the same f'in car as me too." (after seeing 35 Civic DX hatchs in a row with stock wheels and some graphics on the hoods.

 

[mrferg]

I got kicked out of a honda meet by saying "Man, I wish 50 other mothers here had the same f'in car as me too." (after seeing 35 Civic DX hatchs in a row with stock wheels and some graphics on the hoods.

Hahahaha, that's so true.

 

[Rukus]

I get excited whenever i seen a fellow BMW owner. Just tonight there was this guys across the street with a BMW that i jsut had to go and talk to, he had a 325i. It was pretty nice, lowered, tinted windows. so mint.

it was awesome.

 

[mikev]

Weight!!! power brakes comfort etc are better on the newer models. but, because of the low weight it means the e30 is much more chuckable into corners and slides at slower speeds making the whole experiance more fun.

also the sleeper effect the fact that my 325i will out drag and out handle a new 325i gives me all the more pleasure.

 

[rjp325i]

The newer E36s and E46s are very good cars. If you like to do engine mods it becomes more difficult and expensive to do it legally do to OBD 2 emission regulations. Further, on the newest you have to be an electrical/computer engineer to do important diagnostics. The E30 even with OBD 1 is still a car you can do almost all the work on yourself and due to its age the insurance premiums are less which yields more money to spend on mods.

 

[junglestylz]

I definately aggree with you about the insurance. They wanted $4,782 for six months for a 1995 BMW M3 registered in Vegas. My 318 is registered and insured in Henderson.

 

[Rukus]

my 84 BMW 318i is just as much to insure in Saskatchewan, Canada as a brand new cavalier (actually, i think even a little more)

my insurance is $840 / year. but i gues i shouldn't complain.

 

[rjp325i]

Isn't collision coverage more for a brand new car as opposed to an older one in Canada? I know liability may be similar but collision and comprehensive are based on car value and cost of repairs differ as well as fire and theft premiums vary by vehicle. I realize that if you buy a car cash with no loans, liability is the only coverage required but doesn't the lender for a car require its interest in the car be insured?

 

[Custom 3]

small, cheap, fun, and there arent 50,000 of them floating around in my city alone.

I got kicked out of a honda meet by saying "Man, I wish 50 other mothers here had the same f'in car as me too." (after seeing 35 Civic DX hatchs in a row with stock wheels and some graphics on the hoods.

You =

The Honda doofs at the meet = [80?]

Pictures just say it so much better than words...

 

[epj3]

I can hear it now....

"Dude you think your bmw is so hot lets race!! But first you have to take off 2 spark plug wires, becuase its not fair that you have 2 more cylinders on your 3,000 dollar bmw than my 12,000 dollar civic, you rich prick"

 

[Rukus]

Isn't collision coverage more for a brand new car as opposed to an older one in Canada? I know liability may be similar but collision and comprehensive are based on car value and cost of repairs differ as well as fire and theft premiums vary by vehicle. I realize that if you buy a car cash with no loans, liability is the only coverage required but doesn't the lender for a car require its interest in the car be insured?

You talk of Canada as if it is one big province or "state". Well it varies from province to province. In saskatchewan for instance, insurance is government controlled, therefore lower premiums. You payless and get more. In other provinces such as alberta, you have private companies for insurance (which i beleive is what makes up most of the insuranbce in the usa, correct?)

in saskatchewan, insurance is based upon a book. i got a sheet in the mail with my insurance last time, and it had rates for a series of different vehicles. They have it all figured out somehow. all i know is that my 84 BMW is about $200 more to insure for a year than my parents 86 Mercury Topaz. *shrugs*

All i care is that i pay about $840 a year. But thats still only basic insurance. includes NO FAULT collission (IE, i rearend you, your car gets [Censored][Censored][Censored][Censored]ed, oh well, my insurance company pays for it all, no questions asked) BUT my own personal damage of my own fault, vandalism, acts of nature, etc, i have to pay a $700 deductible FIRST before any repairs are peformed.

But that list i mentioned earlier also confusees me, becuase i think they judge the price of insurance based on how much the receipt of the vehicle is. how much YOU paid for it. my last car befoer this one, i said it was worth $400, so i could pay less insurance. my BMW, i kept the receipt the same as what i bought it for, since i already wasn't paying alot ($2000). Its kinda weird. i don't know. its something thats kind making me want to look into it now. They have since changed a few things too, i know that, whatever.

 

[Rukus]

Hey, iam thinking of buying a civic (i want a brand new car i can afford, that looks nice, not so i can be a gay street racer.) and the Vtec engine is WAAAAAY overrated. i am not wasting my money one ANYTHING higher than a LX. [Censored][Censored][Censored][Censored] that. CIVIC LOSERS that go buy the vtec engines so they can be HARDCORE STREEET RACERS are retarded. the vtech engine is TERRIBLE for street racing. it has a flat torque curve, great, thats give you the same amount of pick up at 5000rpm, than at 2000rpm. cools i kinda like tht, lets say if i wanted to pass on the highway. but for a street race., you want lots of torquefor a quick launch. the NON VTEC engiens have a GREAT low en torque curve for that reason. So anyone gay ricer who brags he has a vtec, tell him he is a retard, and doesn't know a thing about physics, or his engine. actually don't say that, call him a fag.

anyways, you were making fun of those ricers with DX civics. the only reason you say that is becuase they are the lowend models. i tihnk those ricers are the smarter one. DX has a much better engine for street racin, doesn;t have alot of extra featuers that you don't need which will jsut wiegh down the car, doesn't add too many extra problems and they are also spending less.

whatever. look at it whatever way you want.

 

[rjp325i]

Like I said ealier that is liability which includes no fault. That part of the premium for me with $500,000 (U.S.) coverage is far less than what you pay. My total premium is about $750 and that includes fire, theft, collision, liability (no fault), glass breakage, vandalism etc. What I'm referring to is, don't you pay more in total premiums for say theft coverage for a new $50,000 M3 than a 15 year old BMW such as a 325? Rates in the States have to be approved by the state regulating agencies as well so there is control there. By the way I just returned from Canada, not Saskatchewan, but Victoria, B.C and thought is was beautiful especially the Butchart Gardens and the lighting of the Parliament Bldg at night.

 

[rjp325i]

Finally, thanks Rukus, I've finally found someone who types worse than me. As for your physics, your all wet. You better go to the track or into engineering class and learn. I've been around for many years and your logic is abominable and very immature. You've been in the boonies too long. Its more cubic inches or litres that brings about gobs of torque. Vtec comes in and increases power across a wider rpm range. You then have higher torque in the upper rpm range and across a wider speed range. Variable cam timing can do a lot. It is a variation of BMW's Vanos as it too only works on the intakes. Double Vanos works on both. Put a Honda Civic si alongside a Honda Civic DX and the si walks away with ease.

 

[Rukus]

Finally, thanks Rukus, I've finally found someone who types worse than me. As for your physics, your all wet. You better go to the track or into engineering class and learn. I've been around for many years and your logic is abominable and very immature. You've been in the boonies too long. Its more cubic inches or litres that brings about gobs of torque. Vtec comes in and increases power across a wider rpm range. You then have higher torque in the upper rpm range and across a wider speed range. Variable cam timing can do a lot. It is a variation of BMW's Vanos as it too only works on the intakes. Double Vanos works on both. Put a Honda Civic si alongside a Honda Civic DX and the si walks away with ease.

Where did you get the nerve to come and be rude to me? i don't understand. Please clue me in on your hostility. okay?

anyways. : You then have higher torque in the upper rpm range and across a wider speed range"

is that NOT what i just said? flat torque cruve? sorry if i am wrong okay? Heres a little information to help explain what i am saying. you are more than welcome to reply with a rude comment as well.

i took this from a webpage undisclosed.

VTEC, like most things in life, is not for everyone. To decide whether VTEC is for you or not, here are the pros and cons.

Pros

The main benefit of VTEC is that the resulting engine is very versatile. The torque curve is very flat: among the flatest of all the engines on the market. Thus where other engines are running out of breath, a VTEC engine maintains a nice and steady output of torque, making the whole RPM range usable for acceleration. So when you are just driving around at a reasonable pace, the car is very smooth and fuel consumption is similar to other engines of the same displacement. When you need more power for passing, all you have to do is down shift and take advantage of the extra power available at the higher RPMs. So you get the smoothness and fuel efficiency of a small economical engine when you drive a low RPMs, and the power output of a much larger engine at high RPMs.

Due to the greater range of usable RPMs, shorter gears can be used. Thus for any given speed or engine RPM, a VTEC engine will allow for a larger ratio multiplier, resulting in more wheel torque. Thus the benefit of the VTEC technology in terms of acceleration improvement also affects low RPM operation.

Since VTEC creates more power without increasing displacement, the engine is likely to be smaller and lighter.

Cons

A vehicle achives its greatest acceleration by keeping the engine RPM as close to the HP peak as possible. And for DOHC VTEC engines, this means keeping the needle at some rather lofty RPMs, and more frequent shifts to keep the RPMs up. To some people, including yours truely, this is a desirable trait: lots of driver involvement in the process of extracting excellent performance. To others, especially those accustomed to the Kansas-flat HP curves of muscle cars, the high RPM and frequent shifts become bothersome.

For a good launch off the line, such as at the start of a drag race, a certain amount of tire spin is desired. Muscle cars have torque peaks at low RPMs, and then taper off as the RPM builds. This is perfect for drag racing as the initial torque peak generates the desired tire spin, and then the lower torque at higher RPMs allow the tire to find and maintain grip. But DOHC VTEC's torque curve is very flat, so the initial tire slip is much harder to generate. And once the tire looses traction, the flat torque curve makes it hard for the spinning wheels to find traction. So to properly launch a DOHC VTEC car, the driver must slip the clutch at high RPMs to generate the initial tire spin, and then carefully modulate the clutch and gas to regain drive wheel traction while maintaining maximum acceleration.

Even though Honda's VTEC engines has lived up to the legendary reliability of Honda products, the fact remains that having the VTEC mechanism adds complexity and cost.

anyways, if you are a "street racer" and are worried about performance, you would use a different configuration than a vtec engine and gain the same idea, but with much better results. What i mean is that a vtec engine is the same idea as forced induction, they arrange the timing of the valves to allow more fuel in, and allow higher revs, allowing more horsepower, instead of a larger engine. You might want to STILL use a vtec engine if you wanted to turbo it and that is fine. You could use ANY engine (to an extent of internals being able to handle it) But forced induction such as a turbo would be alot more desirable. Thus, the vtec is much more suitable for a daily driver than someone who wants to race.

if i were to buy a civic, i would keep the same engine, and if i were be able to turbo it, i would do that. rather than invest in a vtec, and never use its advantages.

 

[Rukus]

By the way I just returned from Canada, not Saskatchewan, but Victoria, B.C and thought is was beautiful especially the Butchart Gardens and the lighting of the Parliament Bldg at night.

cool man, i never been there.


I am not too sure on that man, but its kidna of interesting. Like i said tho, saskatchewan is an exception. we are the only provice who doesn't have private insurance. this private insurtance is all confusing to me, as i jsut moved to alberta. And such has BC insurance.

Saskatchewan insurance, is owned by the government, and they have different ways of doing things.

 

[rjp325i]

Rukus, reread your earlier mess and see if you can understand that crap you wrote. Like I said your typing is worse than mine. Your second response shows some civility but stock vs stock give me a Vtec. The difference in dollars is miniscule on a purchase. That's if I wanted a Honda and I do not. My son bought a 2000 si for 17K and just sold it for 15K and bought a new BMW 330ci.