Bmw Tis 24 07 03
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Can I email it to someone for them to post?[???1]Tis seems very clear to me
I appreciate you taking the time. What I don't understand is where the confusion is? It says the corrective action is to "replace the transmission". Don't the others getting so nuts on here think if a clutch pack tweek was the same it would have been included in the bulletin?
The bulletin identifies defective autos as far back as Sep 2002. Where is the outrage? Why do people want to talk about it instead of demand an accounting by BMW? I am one that often turns the other cheek but this is unfair and just not right.
I appreciate you taking the time. What I don't understand is where the confusion is? It says the corrective action is to "replace the transmission". Don't the others getting so nuts on here think if a clutch pack tweek was the same it would have been included in the bulletin?
The bulletin identifies defective autos as far back as Sep 2002. Where is the outrage? Why do people want to talk about it instead of demand an accounting by BMW? I am one that often turns the other cheek but this is unfair and just not right.
Amazing. I just purchase a 330i BMW 2004 and experience this exact problem. I have not driven the car for 2 days. After a cold start. Put the car in reverse to get out of garage. Place the car in Drive. Slowly pushing in the Gas pedal. The car was reving but did not move an inch. All of a sudden it lunch like I put the gas to the metal. It even turned the warning light on momentarily showing the Limites slip thing activated. Brand spanking new car and this problem. I can't believe they will have to replace the whole transmmission for this. Do you guys suggest for me to have them do this, it seem like a big deal but I don't want to forsee other problems later?
Re: Re: This is the entire bulletin
At the risk of sounding like I'm defending BMW (I'm not), I'm just interested in accurate info because many people may use this information. IMHO it does not say they have KNOWN about the problem since 9/02. It says to me they know CARS since 9/02 are affected.
It would have been at least several months from when a 09/02 car was built (shipping delay + customer delivery delay + initial mileage delay) to maybe 5 or 6 months until the first report of slipping came in. Agree? Disagree?
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At the risk of sounding like I'm defending BMW (I'm not), I'm just interested in accurate info because many people may use this information. IMHO it does not say they have KNOWN about the problem since 9/02. It says to me they know CARS since 9/02 are affected.
It would have been at least several months from when a 09/02 car was built (shipping delay + customer delivery delay + initial mileage delay) to maybe 5 or 6 months until the first report of slipping came in. Agree? Disagree?
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Knowledge is power do not be another victim
Return the car from where it was purchased.
Tell them you are aware this is a known defect.
File a complaint with NHTSA and Consumer Protection Ageny
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Originally posted by BMW_Driver22
A friend forwarded the following information to me. Seems like there is beginning to be some light at the end of our tunnel. Hope you find it as helpful as I did.
Go to the following site http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/p...ect/results.cfm
On the left side of the page Under Defective Investigations, select "Search"
Using the box on the right select type of search for "Vehicle"
Select "Year" 2004
Select "Make" BMW
Select "Model" 325 Ci
Select "Component" Auto-Transmission
Select "Document Search"
The documents are in a pdf format. Very thorough example of an experience many of us were forced to endure.
Return the car from where it was purchased.
Tell them you are aware this is a known defect.
File a complaint with NHTSA and Consumer Protection Ageny
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Originally posted by BMW_Driver22
A friend forwarded the following information to me. Seems like there is beginning to be some light at the end of our tunnel. Hope you find it as helpful as I did.
Go to the following site http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/p...ect/results.cfm
On the left side of the page Under Defective Investigations, select "Search"
Using the box on the right select type of search for "Vehicle"
Select "Year" 2004
Select "Make" BMW
Select "Model" 325 Ci
Select "Component" Auto-Transmission
Select "Document Search"
The documents are in a pdf format. Very thorough example of an experience many of us were forced to endure.
Remember this also
From Car_54
BMW knows everything they need to know about this defect to act responsibly. They know when and where defective trans were manufactured, which production runs are involved, VIN #'s, dealerships and yes, they know who bought them, the lowly guy at the bottom you and me. There is no need for discussion, argument or interpretation. To suggest anything other is disingenuous.
One must first come clean and acknowledge the defect. BMW "as of date ../../2004 transmissions with revision level "X" have been tested and are confirmed defect free". Put that information in writing make the purchasers of defective trans whole by replacing them. Begin to repair brand loyalty by ensuring quality control measures. Regardless, this is all fools folly as NHTSA has the case and BMW will comply with another "voluntary recall". And yes, it will be in writing. BMWNA will boast all of their recalls have been voluntary.
From Car_54
BMW knows everything they need to know about this defect to act responsibly. They know when and where defective trans were manufactured, which production runs are involved, VIN #'s, dealerships and yes, they know who bought them, the lowly guy at the bottom you and me. There is no need for discussion, argument or interpretation. To suggest anything other is disingenuous.
One must first come clean and acknowledge the defect. BMW "as of date ../../2004 transmissions with revision level "X" have been tested and are confirmed defect free". Put that information in writing make the purchasers of defective trans whole by replacing them. Begin to repair brand loyalty by ensuring quality control measures. Regardless, this is all fools folly as NHTSA has the case and BMW will comply with another "voluntary recall". And yes, it will be in writing. BMWNA will boast all of their recalls have been voluntary.
A car built in 9/02 is a 2003 model. This problem does not affect every car built since then. It does affect a lot but not all of them. The clutch pack repair was done at the beginning of this issue and was a good fix for some cars. There was a period of time when BMW was unsure what was causing this problem but they were working on it. Once it was determined that it was a manudfacturing problem with GM Transmission in France, BMW needed all of the now properly made units for the assembly line, so there was a delay in parts availablity. But parts are now available and cars are being repaired. We have many transmissions waiting to be insatlled at the dealership that I work for. There are three in my bay right now. I have read many posts on this site about this issue and I have seen a wide variety of reponses to it.
All I can say is that in my opinion, as a BWM certified technician, and a tech with experience on other products as well, BMW has handled this issue in the only manner that they could. They had to take the time to determine the cause of the problems, and the number of cars it effects. I am sorry to see that some of you are not happy with your dealer experience but maybe you should find a different dealer. There are many good dealerships out there, but you may have to do some research to find one that fits you. You need to be comfortable with your advisor and the techs if you have contact with them.
I work at a BMW dealer because my brother works there and he got me the job. I never liked them before I started working on them. They have slowly worn down my prejudices and I now believe that they are a fundamentally sound vehicle. They have some issuse from time to time but what manufacturer does not. I have found that BMW deals with their product issues in a much more timely and straight forward manner than most domestic manufacturers.
I hope that I will be able to assist some of you with problems that you might need some advice on. And I DO completly expect to get flamed, trashed and attacked over this post. But I also hope that some of you may be able to use this information to assist you with your service needs.
Scott - BMW Technician
All I can say is that in my opinion, as a BWM certified technician, and a tech with experience on other products as well, BMW has handled this issue in the only manner that they could. They had to take the time to determine the cause of the problems, and the number of cars it effects. I am sorry to see that some of you are not happy with your dealer experience but maybe you should find a different dealer. There are many good dealerships out there, but you may have to do some research to find one that fits you. You need to be comfortable with your advisor and the techs if you have contact with them.
I work at a BMW dealer because my brother works there and he got me the job. I never liked them before I started working on them. They have slowly worn down my prejudices and I now believe that they are a fundamentally sound vehicle. They have some issuse from time to time but what manufacturer does not. I have found that BMW deals with their product issues in a much more timely and straight forward manner than most domestic manufacturers.
I hope that I will be able to assist some of you with problems that you might need some advice on. And I DO completly expect to get flamed, trashed and attacked over this post. But I also hope that some of you may be able to use this information to assist you with your service needs.
Scott - BMW Technician
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Welcome Wileymo-I'm with Kirby, no trash talking from me. Glad to hear from someone who knows what's going on. If someone makes a statement or asks a question you can answer, it would be appreciated. I don't know why my car's window sticker said Germany for trans country of origin, but has a GM plate on the trans case and not ZF? Thus far the original trans has worked fine (but we've only put 1400 miles on it and had almost a year).
Can someone please answer my question regarding my situation. Should I let the dealer replace the tranny? It seem such a big job for a small situation than can probably be avoided by idling the car for a bit before moving. I am just concerned since it is such a brand new car that it might not be as good as being all orginal from the BMW plant.
Are you also saying that even though my tranny says made in Germany it can still be a GM part?
Does GM mean General Motors? what about ZF?
Are you also saying that even though my tranny says made in Germany it can still be a GM part?
Does GM mean General Motors? what about ZF?