This is your decision, but I can't think of any reason why you'd like to keep a bad tranny in your car (if in fact, you have one). I was told by my dealer that extra idling is not good for the car. And yes ... you can still have a GM tranny even if made in Germany (although it may or may not be one of the problem trannies ... have your dealer check by VIN number). And yes, GM stands for General Motors.
Bmw Tis 24 07 03
- Thread starter LipSmacknGOOd
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I want my thread back
I made this post almost a week ago trying to obtain the facts about the recall. I wanted to learn what BMW's position was from BMW. So I asked for copy of the bulletin TIS 24 07 03. No one offered the bulletin from the group that has hijacked my thread![[mad]](/images/smilies/mad.png "Mad [mad]")
. The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face?
These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
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Kim
I made this post almost a week ago trying to obtain the facts about the recall. I wanted to learn what BMW's position was from BMW. So I asked for copy of the bulletin TIS 24 07 03. No one offered the bulletin from the group that has hijacked my thread
. The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face? These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
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Kim
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Re: I want my thread back
Kim,
If I contributed to "hijacking" your thread, I apologize.
LipSmacknGOOd said:
I made this post almost a week ago trying to obtain the facts about the recall. I wanted to learn what BMW's position was from BMW. So I asked for copy of the bulletin TIS 24 07 03. No one offered the bulletin from the group that has hijacked my thread . The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face?
These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
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Kim
. The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face? These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
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Kim
If I contributed to "hijacking" your thread, I apologize.
If you could explain how what I have said contadicts what BMW has said I would appreciate it.
The only approved repair for this problem is transmission replacement.
The clutch pack repair was done as an fix early on during this issue as a expedient measure untill transmissions became readily available. It is no longer being done due to the fact that trans are now available. The clutch pack repair also had to be performed by BMWNA personnel, either a market are field rep or one of the trans reps.
If you have a car that displays the delayed engagement symptom and it is in the production ranges covered by this bulletin you will recieve a new (remanufactured) transmission.
My post was not "rehearsed", but it was thought out before I posted. I understatnd that a lot of people are upsaet by this issue and I wanted to make sure I did not carelessly "fan the flames."
The only approved repair for this problem is transmission replacement.
The clutch pack repair was done as an fix early on during this issue as a expedient measure untill transmissions became readily available. It is no longer being done due to the fact that trans are now available. The clutch pack repair also had to be performed by BMWNA personnel, either a market are field rep or one of the trans reps.
If you have a car that displays the delayed engagement symptom and it is in the production ranges covered by this bulletin you will recieve a new (remanufactured) transmission.
My post was not "rehearsed", but it was thought out before I posted. I understatnd that a lot of people are upsaet by this issue and I wanted to make sure I did not carelessly "fan the flames."
wileymo,
What you posted was 100% on and what we a few of us have been stating also. Your posting helps confirm our prior posts.
Although, If I were an owner with a new BMW I would be pissed also if BMW were selling cars off of the lot that had this issue and not telling the consumer.... I myself purchased a 2003 in Aug and were one of the first (at my dealership) to come in for the problem. After some time (Dec) the dealership did the clutch pack replacement and all has been fine.
One question for you though Wileymo... There have been some on this board who are stating that the clutch pack replacement is faulty and only a temporary fix. While I do not believe this to be true....It would be good to hear if you have any info on this.
Thanks Again.
What you posted was 100% on and what we a few of us have been stating also. Your posting helps confirm our prior posts.
Although, If I were an owner with a new BMW I would be pissed also if BMW were selling cars off of the lot that had this issue and not telling the consumer.... I myself purchased a 2003 in Aug and were one of the first (at my dealership) to come in for the problem. After some time (Dec) the dealership did the clutch pack replacement and all has been fine.
One question for you though Wileymo... There have been some on this board who are stating that the clutch pack replacement is faulty and only a temporary fix. While I do not believe this to be true....It would be good to hear if you have any info on this.
Thanks Again.
Stop stealing threads
I could not agree with you more Kim. I would have posted the bulletin but I did not have a copy on my laptop while traveling. The people that are hijacking the threads have been arguing in circles and continue to make false statements. I will believe what BMW and the lawyers have put in writing about safety issues over a message board anyday.
LipSmacknGOOd said:
I made this post almost a week ago trying to obtain the facts about the recall. I wanted to learn what BMW's position was from BMW. So I asked for copy of the bulletin TIS 24 07 03. No one offered the bulletin from the group that has hijacked my thread . The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face?
These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
_________________
Kim
. The information in the bulletin tells the dealerships what to do in writing. How can anyone argue anything else with a straight face? These same hijackers are the people running around from post to post offering nothing but confusion and a smokescreen. When this group can get something in writing from BMW validating their claims please post it, otherwise please stop. This is and has never been something to joke about. I doubt BMW would be pleased to learn their own technicians are identifying themselves and contradicting what they have put in writing. For a first post, seemed quite rehearsed.
I thank importerofrecord again for providing the bulletin. Importer I also have daughters that are now driving I understand your anger. I hope you guys that are demanding BMW make a full accounting prevail.
_________________
Kim
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Subject revisited
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SIB 24 07 03 Feb 2004
Automatic Transmissions Service Engineering
_______________________________________________
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SIB24 07 03 dated December 2003
Subject
GM5: Delayed P to D Engagement on Cold Start
Model
E46 with GM5: 325iA, 325xiA, 325xiTA, 330xiA from 09/02 up to 12/03
E46 with GM5: 325CiA, 325CicA, 330iA, 330CiA, 330CicA, 325iTA, from 03/03 up to 12/03
E53 X5 3.0iA with GM5 from 09/02 up to 12/03
E83 X3 3.0iA with GM5 from introduction up to 12/03
Situation
Customer may complain of delayed P to D engagement (2 to 30 seconds) during the first cold start in the morning
Cause
Unfavorable tolerances of C1 clutch housing causing internal transmission pressure leakafter extended (overnight) parking
Correction
ON A CUSTOMER COMPLAINT BASIS ONLY, after verifying the above mentioned situation,
REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION WITH THE IMPROVED UNIT
For transmission replacement procedure refer to RA 24 00 048 found in BMW TIS.
Important
Gm5 automatic transmissions replaced under the terms of this Service Information DO NOT require any technical Hot Line authorization contact number.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number Description Quantity
07 12 9 900 047 M12x1.5 self locking nut for output flange 3
24 00 7 515 157 GM5 trans for 325xiA/xiTA from 09/02 up to 03/03 1
24 00 7 523 279 GM5 trans for 325xiA/xiTA from 03/03 1
24 00 7 515 279 GM5 trans for 330xiA from 09/02 up to 03/03 1
24 00 7 523 281 GM5 trans for 330xiA from 03/03; and X3 3.0A 1
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The discussion was taken away from the subject. Now it is back.
How long has BMW known about this defect?
Has the defect been corrected and confirmed IN WRITING from BMW?
When will BMW ALERT all owners of the cars above of the problem?
Kim
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SIB 24 07 03 Feb 2004
Automatic Transmissions Service Engineering
_______________________________________________
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SIB24 07 03 dated December 2003
Subject
GM5: Delayed P to D Engagement on Cold Start
Model
E46 with GM5: 325iA, 325xiA, 325xiTA, 330xiA from 09/02 up to 12/03
E46 with GM5: 325CiA, 325CicA, 330iA, 330CiA, 330CicA, 325iTA, from 03/03 up to 12/03
E53 X5 3.0iA with GM5 from 09/02 up to 12/03
E83 X3 3.0iA with GM5 from introduction up to 12/03
Situation
Customer may complain of delayed P to D engagement (2 to 30 seconds) during the first cold start in the morning
Cause
Unfavorable tolerances of C1 clutch housing causing internal transmission pressure leakafter extended (overnight) parking
Correction
ON A CUSTOMER COMPLAINT BASIS ONLY, after verifying the above mentioned situation,
REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION WITH THE IMPROVED UNIT
For transmission replacement procedure refer to RA 24 00 048 found in BMW TIS.
Important
Gm5 automatic transmissions replaced under the terms of this Service Information DO NOT require any technical Hot Line authorization contact number.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number Description Quantity
07 12 9 900 047 M12x1.5 self locking nut for output flange 3
24 00 7 515 157 GM5 trans for 325xiA/xiTA from 09/02 up to 03/03 1
24 00 7 523 279 GM5 trans for 325xiA/xiTA from 03/03 1
24 00 7 515 279 GM5 trans for 330xiA from 09/02 up to 03/03 1
24 00 7 523 281 GM5 trans for 330xiA from 03/03; and X3 3.0A 1
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The discussion was taken away from the subject. Now it is back.
How long has BMW known about this defect?
Has the defect been corrected and confirmed IN WRITING from BMW?
When will BMW ALERT all owners of the cars above of the problem?
Kim
Re: Subject revisited
The discussion was taken away from the subject. Now it is back.
How long has BMW known about this defect?
Has the defect been corrected and confirmed IN WRITING from BMW?
When will BMW ALERT all owners of the cars above of the problem?
Kim [/B][/QUOTE]
HI Kim,
There is information dating back years I do not know exactly when the had to put pen tp paper and accept it.
I have seen nothing from BMW confirm the defect has been corrected on new production.
BMW should have contacted every person who bought one of the cars listed in the safety bulletin you posted above.
.
The discussion was taken away from the subject. Now it is back.
How long has BMW known about this defect?
Has the defect been corrected and confirmed IN WRITING from BMW?
When will BMW ALERT all owners of the cars above of the problem?
Kim [/B][/QUOTE]
HI Kim,
There is information dating back years I do not know exactly when the had to put pen tp paper and accept it.
I have seen nothing from BMW confirm the defect has been corrected on new production.
BMW should have contacted every person who bought one of the cars listed in the safety bulletin you posted above.
.
Re: Re: Subject revisited
It's not a "Safety" bulletin, it's a "Service Information Bulletin". BMW clearly does not view this as a "safety" issue, it's a defective part that may result in an annoying trait exhibited when you first put the car in gear in the morning. Hence, no recall and the recommendation that the part be replaced upon customer complaint basis. So if it bothers you, complain, it will be replaced, and then you can be happy.
It's not a "Safety" bulletin, it's a "Service Information Bulletin". BMW clearly does not view this as a "safety" issue, it's a defective part that may result in an annoying trait exhibited when you first put the car in gear in the morning. Hence, no recall and the recommendation that the part be replaced upon customer complaint basis. So if it bothers you, complain, it will be replaced, and then you can be happy.
![[;)]](/images/smilies/wink.png "Wink [;)]")
I guess we'll see what comes of it........