Redlining - Bad for the car or not?

Redlining, bad for the car or not

  • Don't do it, its bad for the car

    Votes: 21 25.6%
  • Don't worry, BMWs are made to handle it

    Votes: 61 74.4%

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#21
Actually, the decision to shift is based not only on horsepower, but on torque. As you know, gearing is important as well. I'll use my car for example, since I know it well. One thing that is the same for all cars is that lower gears are easier for the engine to turn. Now my car's peak horsepower is 280hp @ 6,200rpm and peak torque is 270 foot pounds at 4,800rpm. As you can see, horsepower and torque are both very high...horsepower is always at or near the car's redline, but this is not always the case with torque. Most Japanese car companies opt to provide maximum horsepower AND torque at higher rpm's, which allows you to take MAXIMUM advantage of lower gearing, because lower gears are easier for the engine to power and all the power of the engine are at those high rpm's, which is perfect for always being in the lowest gear possible. It's a combination of the easiest gear, maximum horsepower, and maximum torque (I know I just said that like 3 times, but bare with me, it's 3AM).
The way BMW typically does it, is they give you that maximum horsepower up top, but maximum torque in the mid-range. This is good for real-world driving because the torque kicks in low for good acceleration when driving around normally, and horsepower takes over up top. Plus, BMW's have a really nice power band so there is still ample torque throughout the entire rev band (keep in mind that BMW firmly believes in high revs), which is why BMW engines are so well-appreciated by auto enthusiasts. It's really cool too, because it allows you have a lot of fun on regular roads....just downshift to 3K-4K rpm and punch it and the car just whips you back in your seat from all that torque.
If we were talking about those older American muscle cars, then it's a different story...they are big V8 engines, so they have mad torque down low, so they would definitely shift earlier than redline (I dunno exactly where, as it's different for each car) because being in the harder-to-turn gear earlier was more worth it, since all the crazy torque was at lower rpm's.
 
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I have to agree with the majority on this one. I don't think redlining is bad but I have yet to do it on my own car. I just hit 1000 miles and I haven't reved higher than 5000 rpm's yet. I think my baby is just about ready to be pushed to the limit!
 
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I don't think you really have to worry about the engine when you're driving in those high revs. We're pretty good with engine design now...most engines are pretty damn reliable no matter how high you rev.
For example, I'm actually in Florida right now, where I have my jetski (waverunner). It has an 8,000rpm redline and I put around 2-3 hours of riding time on it each day. The entire time I am riding it around, the engine is constantly turning at 5K - 8K rpm, no exaggeration. Most of that time, the engine is spent in the 5K-6K rpm range and I just run it like this all day long and the engine is such a champ, it loves to rev. I can tell you that most of this jetski's riding time will be spent at high revs and I believe that the engine has years and years of riding time to offer.
My point is that you don't really have to worry about the engine and how you treat it (as long as you change the oil, warm it up properly, and perform any/all other maintenance required). Down the line, it's the parts that the engine powers that will wear out over time before the engine does.
 
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Unless you've changed software and have a higher rev limit now, the car will not allow you to overrev, it will shutdown if you drive it too deep past 6500rpm's. Doing this on every shift, Not smart. Doing it every now and then, Fun. If you chip, (and have manual) then you have to make sure not to bury it in the red for too long, auto will still take care of itself and shift for you..

Just don't pull a money shift!

[driving2]
 
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wood_e said:
Elussive,

Isn't your jet ski a 2 cycle engine?

Oh, and can I ride it? [thumb]
It's a 4-stroke, 1.3 liter, supercharged 3-cylinder motor. Pushes 215hp and only takes premium fuel. I used it as an example because it's pretty close to a regular car engine and it just loves to rev all day long.
 
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IMHO I wouldn't recommend redlining your car all the time, especially in hot weather or even worse cold weather when your vehicle isn't warmed up! I'm no car/engine expert.. but if there's a redline on my gauge I tend to think of red as "danger".. and it's probably there for a good reason. I use to fly model airplanes all the time and worked on those engines for a while and I know from experience that running those engines at really high rpms for some time decreases performance and especially reliability. I've ran an engine at max rpms w/ a full tank of gas before and afterwards the engine would never idle the same or even perform the same..there was delay when punching the throttle. I'm sure it got damaged from heat, consequently from "overreving" it. I realize BMWs and model aircraft engines are not exactly the same, but they are similar in that there's a piston moving up and down at high speeds that comes into contact with metal on metal..and that means lots of heat from friction (thank God there's oil). I'm sure if you rev your engine high enough so that there is excessive friction and heat you can tweak something.. maybe bend a valve or put a miniscule crack in your piston housing that would decrease performance. With all that said, I'd have to agree that BMW probably puts the redline below the engines true breaking point because they dont want their cars breaking down all over if someone just happens to put it into the red. I personally don't redline my car because it just seems risky, and @ 5,500rpm I'm going fast enough for the car's potential. I'd make sure you have adequate oil in your engine and change it regularly if you're going to redline your car all the time. When I watch car races I see engines blow up all the time..and that's due to overrevving.... just something to think about.
 
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Gr8ful said:
IMHO I wouldn't recommend redlining your car all the time, especially in hot weather or even worse cold weather when your vehicle isn't warmed up! I'm no car/engine expert.. but if there's a redline on my gauge I tend to think of red as "danger".. and it's probably there for a good reason. I use to fly model airplanes all the time and worked on those engines for a while and I know from experience that running those engines at really high rpms for some time decreases performance and especially reliability. I've ran an engine at max rpms w/ a full tank of gas before and afterwards the engine would never idle the same or even perform the same..there was delay when punching the throttle. I'm sure it got damaged from heat, consequently from "overreving" it. I realize BMWs and model aircraft engines are not exactly the same, but they are similar in that there's a piston moving up and down at high speeds that comes into contact with metal on metal..and that means lots of heat from friction (thank God there's oil). I'm sure if you rev your engine high enough so that there is excessive friction and heat you can tweak something.. maybe bend a valve or put a miniscule crack in your piston housing that would decrease performance. With all that said, I'd have to agree that BMW probably puts the redline below the engines true breaking point because they dont want their cars breaking down all over if someone just happens to put it into the red. I personally don't redline my car because it just seems risky, and @ 5,500rpm I'm going fast enough for the car's potential. I'd make sure you have adequate oil in your engine and change it regularly if you're going to redline your car all the time. When I watch car races I see engines blow up all the time..and that's due to overrevving.... just something to think about.
Gr8ful, you have a performance exhaust and CAI but you never red line your tach, never, ever? Right and I'm the Prince of Whales..... Go back to nerd school little boy! Did you buy the car to drive it or sleep with it? [V]
 
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IMHO I wouldn't recommend redlining your car all the time, especially in hot weather or even worse cold weather when your vehicle isn't warmed up! I'm no car/engine expert.. but if there's a redline on my gauge I tend to think of red as "danger".. and it's probably there for a good reason. I use to fly model airplanes all the time and worked on those engines for a while and I know from experience that running those engines at really high rpms for some time decreases performance and especially reliability. I've ran an engine at max rpms w/ a full tank of gas before and afterwards the engine would never idle the same or even perform the same..there was delay when punching the throttle. I'm sure it got damaged from heat, consequently from "overreving" it. I realize BMWs and model aircraft engines are not exactly the same, but they are similar in that there's a piston moving up and down at high speeds that comes into contact with metal on metal..and that means lots of heat from friction (thank God there's oil). I'm sure if you rev your engine high enough so that there is excessive friction and heat you can tweak something.. maybe bend a valve or put a miniscule crack in your piston housing that would decrease performance. With all that said, I'd have to agree that BMW probably puts the redline below the engines true breaking point because they dont want their cars breaking down all over if someone just happens to put it into the red. I personally don't redline my car because it just seems risky, and @ 5,500rpm I'm going fast enough for the car's potential. I'd make sure you have adequate oil in your engine and change it regularly if you're going to redline your car all the time. When I watch car races I see engines blow up all the time..and that's due to overrevving.... just something to think about.
Car engine and model airplane engines are very different. Model airplane engines are very shitty, my dad has a model airplaneand the engine is just a shitty little thing, nothing special to it. If it brakes, you just replace it. When dealing with cars, it's not cheap to replace the engine and they are much larger and have to power a much larger object, so they make them strong. Trust me, if you're buying any new GOOD car or performance car, the engine is strong as f*ck. And it's not a mechanical redline on the engines, they are limited with a rev limiter and everything. Every BMW engine is designed to be run at high rpm's constantly, such as for track events. I redline my engine multiple times a day and I have no hesitation doing so, I just wish I had a big race track like the Nurburgring so that I can just chill at 4,000-6,600rpm's where my car's power band is....we're so good at engines now that there really isn't much of a difference between 2,000rpm and 6,000rpm.
You guys should see this video of this guy in a Porsche 911 following an M5 on the Nurburgring. The engine doesn't even come alive until high revs, and for the whole entire 8-minute video, the driver is keeping the 911 at high revs and the engine is just singing, it's absolutely amazing.
 
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There is a reason it goes up that high. If it was bad for your car they wouldnt have a redline. It would cut off way before as a safety. Who makes a car with a self destruct button?
 

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BMW-FW26 said:
There is a reason it goes up that high. If it was bad for your car they wouldnt have a redline. It would cut off way before as a safety. Who makes a car with a self destruct button?
General motors [rofl] [rofl]

Not as much of an actual 'button' as a self-destruct relay that turns on right after the warranty period ends [rofl]
 
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