Would He or Would He Not????

MyHarley · Oct 21, 2003

Out tonight with customers and one of the guys just purchased a new Nissan Maxima....he said his car had 280hp and said he could probably take me..........I said I dont think so because of the torque to hp ratio (are you laughing, I've learning to talk the talk, just not walk the walk)......there was stunned silence, then laughing, then he said, do you even know what torque is......well I dont yet but I will after I post something on the BMW Board, but I think my torque is better than your torque...... [rofl]

All my customers are male and in the oilfield.......already a bad combination.......add some knowledge on mumbo jumbo car talk and I could be dangerous......teach me guys, I want to be in the know.......

Bimmubishi · Oct 21, 2003

I just posted on this a few weeks ago. Check this thread.

http://www.bmwboard.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2817

MyHarley · Oct 21, 2003

Thank you.......I guess the English version is not available....... [rofl]

So, could his new Nissan Maxima outrun me.......

Andre · Oct 21, 2003

His new Maxima is not 280hp, but 265. His car can theoretically beat yours, but he would have to know what he was doing and be fighting the torque-steer. Ask him if he knows what torque-steer is

The BMW may be the same or slightly slower - if Car & Driver was testing it. Real world, the BMW will be easier to drive fast.

jrt67ss350 · Oct 21, 2003

Yeah, 265 hp to the front wheels is gonna create some serious torque steer. My girlfriend has a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (Supercharged 3.8 liter V-6) that has 240 hp and 280 lb.ft torque. Let me tell ya - channeling that kind of power to the front wheels creates major traction problems as well as some serious torque steer. This guy will have his hands full just trying to keep the car in his lane while you can concentrate on pulling away from him since you have a car with the proper drivetrain - front engine, rear wheel drive! [;)]

Wadula · Oct 21, 2003

the maxima has
265 hp / 255 lb/ft for about 3450 lbs (4 passengers, an empty weight is not named)

the bmw 330 cic has
225 hp / 214 lb/ft for about 3480vlbs (no passengers!!!!)
(heck 225 hp???? isnt´t that supposed to read 231? bmw names it nominal output, what´s up with that???)

anyway, with those numbers, the maxima has more power and is lighter.....pretty tough i guess.

but hey, he just has not the looks and does not get the looks. isn´t that way more important [hihi]

Kirby · Oct 21, 2003

The BMW will definitely handle better on a twisty road than the Nissan. Challenge him to a race in the twisties. He'll really be struggling with the torque steer. Assuming equal driving skills, you'll kick butt even with a little less power.

Uhh, do they have twisty roads in Texas? [hihi]

MrElussive · Oct 21, 2003

MyHarley, that guy has 265hp, not 280hp...make sure he gets it right...only the G35 Coupe puts out the 280hp (the Maxima and the G35 Coupe have the same engine, but due to special air intake and exhaust tuning, the G35 Coupe puts out 280hp and 270 torque). Anyways, he has 40hp more and significantly more torque (255 lb-ft vs your 214 lb-ft). The new Nissan Maxima does 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds, and your 330CiC auto does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, so unfortunately he will probably out-run you. But if you do decide to race him, make sure your roof is up, it is less drag...you have a good change if you out-driving him.

Wadula · Oct 21, 2003

kirby, yes we have, even in houston...i´m sure i have seen one...but where....hmmm....but there is one [hihi]

myharley, take him down I10, exit voss/bingle get on voss heading for westheimer. that is a nice road with a narrow s-curve. he will loose his panties if he doesn´t know it and you´ll leave him behind!!!

MyHarley · Oct 21, 2003

funny stuff guys.............Kirby, we have a lot of off ramps from the freeway that are curvy too.........and yes Wadula, me and my lil boy do look a whole lot better......I had three Grand Prix GTP's before the BMW that couldnt be handled at top speed.........btw, should I be in Drive, Sport or Manual????

MrElussive, now I know why I dont have the same power topless.......

[???1]

Abdoman · Oct 21, 2003

Check out this link to a Maxima board: Maxima Board

Also Car and Driver has this to say about the 0-60 and 1/4 mi times in regards to the 04 Maxima:

The fastest 0-60 time in a 330ci that I have seen is 5.9 sec.

This brings up an interesting question. How can a vehicle that weights more, has less HP have a just as good 0-60 time as a lighter and more powerful car. Before you answer "it FWD", What is the 0-60 time of the G35 and the G35 coupe? G35 coupe 0-60 5.6 sec, 280hp, curb wt 3450 lb 1/4 in 14.4 sec.

55hp is a lot - If I added 55hp to a 330ci, I don't have any doubt it would beat the G35 coupe. Can't all be gearing. Does BMW rate at the rear wheels or at the flywheel?

MyHarley · Oct 21, 2003

Confusion again, jrt mentioned rear wheel drive in his reply.....I thought I was all wheel drive....[???1]

MrElussive · Oct 21, 2003

Abdoman, all companies provide their horsepower ratings at the flywheel. Also, the G35 Coupe has 280hp, weighs 3,415lbs, and is a RWD car. The 6MT version of it does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.2 seconds. The Maxima has 265hp and an average weight of 3,450lbs. The FWD is what hurst it, but not that much...0-60 for that car is 6.4 or 6.5 seconds, and the 1/4 mile is high 14's. Their scores on paper are impressive, but I am not really impressed with them on the street. The night before I got into my crash, I was in NYC with my G35C and my car was loaded with 4 people. This kid in a Maxima had his windows down blasting music and so did we and we were both driving pretty aggressively. We got to a few parts where we were pretty even and we both punched it and I easily pulled on him. I thought it was going to be more of a challenge because he was only one guy in his car and my car was loaded with the 4 of us. In any case, the new Maxima has quite an engine and I am always afraid to race one, but my G35C always pulls through without any trouble.

MyHarley, your car is RWD. Only the 325xi and 330xi (4-door) BMW's are AWD (the 'x' represents AWD).

SamuraiJack · Oct 22, 2003

Hello all, while we are on the topic of HP.... Can I ask what did the '01 330Ci get tested out at? I have heard some conflicting reports. 230HP & 215 lb-ft (at the fly)? Say it ain't so....

Side note: I did however manage a 15.2 @ 93 mph last weekend on the 1/4 mile. [?|]

(first time out in the 330). I'll be trying again this weekend to better it. [:D]

I will do some more research.
Aloha,
Ian

Wadula · Oct 22, 2003

harley, when you race him, be in sport mode. for normal driving normal is okay as you don't need the gearbox to stay in a gear that long. and bottom line is, when you punch it even in normal mode, the car will do all possible to accelerate as fast as possible.

Abdoman · Oct 22, 2003

MrElussive - your car should be faster, but I did not make my question clear. It seems that BMW does more with less. Take the E36 M3 240hp, 0-60 in 5.5 sec, wgt 3250 lbs. With only 240 hp, I would not expect a 0-60 time of 5.5. The Porsche Boxster S has 250 and does 0-60 in 5.7 sec with a curb weight of 2822 lbs. BMW Z4 225 hp, 0-60 5.4 sec with a curb weight of 2998 lbs. Again, heavier, less HP but faster.

bahnstormer · Oct 22, 2003

the fastest 0-60 for the 330 u saw was a MANUAL car

AUTOmatic 330 = slow as dirt
i bet harley doesn't know how to launch an auto car do u?
if u wanna use some technical terms with the cowboys, go like this -

so around what rpm does the your tranny lockup? oh yeah?
so then u know how to lauch it so as to prevent lagging the
engine and to get the fastest hole shot huh? mmhmm....

lol @ cowboys =]

MrElussive · Oct 22, 2003

Abdoman, a lot of it has to do with the gearing as well. Porsche uses taller gears, that's why the Boxster S is not as fast as it should be. I agree with you, the E36 M3 is particularly quick for 3,250lbs and 240hp (200lbs less but 40hp less than the G35C). I think the E36 M3 is so quick because of its transmission and gearing setup. Also, the 3.0 liter is very quick for its size and output. I think this is due to the fact that the motor has such a linear power curve, whereas the G35C doesn't really develop its power until 4,000rpm. The Z4 is so quick to 60mph simply because it is 400lbs lighter than the G35C and I think due to the transmission. Whenever I race a 330i BMW, whether it is automatic or manual, they always get me off the line. Their first gear is quicker, but then once we are in second, I catch up to them and pass them easily...it's kinda weird, honestly. It's like I think I'm gonna lose and then I get into second gear and from there, I pull ahead and the 330 (coupe or sedan) never catches up. The 3.0 liter only puts out 225hp which is not that much anymore, but thanks to such a great power band and a great transmission, they are still very competitive.

Wadula · Oct 22, 2003

or ask him if he has some racing double gaskets. [8]

he is from the oil industry? so are you i assume? what and where if i may ask?

codex57 · Oct 22, 2003

BMWs also tend to lose less due to parasitic drivetrain losses. They may only lose 10% or a little less even of their power. Say a 225 hp at the flywheel BMW might dyno at 198 hp to the wheels. That's about a 12% loss I think. I know G35 coupes have dynoed at 230 and I think one guy hit 225 or something like that (he was pissed). That's like a 20% loss. Throw in the typical agressive 1st gear on a BMW and that's how BMW appears to do more with less. I imagine the Maxima would lose even more to the wheels than the G35 b/c it's front wheel drive.

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