Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!
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The leaded stuff is not available here for the general public. It is here at The Las Vegas Motor Speedway for the NASCAR boys and open wheel race cars that occasionally use the track. I just happened to be walking by the pumps at our driving school in May when I noticed it was a 110 octane brew. I use the unleaded 100 brew at a 25% mix to give me just over 93 octane. That 110 stuff will plug a cat real quick. The 100 stuff goes for $3.959 gal. The premium crap we have here is only 91 and does not perform in the summer if your car is "chipped" especially if it is a Conforti chip which mine is. I miss the 94 we had available in NY.
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after a bit of help from ask jeeves i converted litres to us gallons and GBP to USD now your in for a shock!!!! for standard unleaded we pay 79.9p per litre thats aprx $4.70 per US gallon and you thought that you were getting ripped off (FYI i fill up on shell optimax which i floating at around 5p per litre more. so its up around $5 per gallon) ![[:(]](/images/smilies/frown.png "Frown [:(]")
mikev said:
after a bit of help from ask jeeves i converted litres to us gallons and GBP to USD now your in for a shock!!!! for standard unleaded we pay 79.9p per litre thats aprx $4.70 per US gallon and you thought that you were getting ripped off (FYI i fill up on shell optimax which i floating at around 5p per litre more. so its up around $5 per gallon)
Just another reason Europeans ridicule us. If we were in the same situation we'd be laughing at them on the evening news saying that finally the rest of the world is feeling our pain. But when we finally feel a little pinch in the gas tank we minimize how truly painful it is for the rest of the world by saying 'Hey you're used to it.' ????????
Stupid Americans.
But it does bring up the question of why it is that high for them. How much of that $5/gallon is taxes?
Steve
Stupid Americans.
But it does bring up the question of why it is that high for them. How much of that $5/gallon is taxes?
Steve
Kind of a knee-jerk reaction and a bit dramatic, don't you think? I would also be careful who you call stupid. You have no idea what my background or world-view is, and I guarantee it is at least as rich and enlightened as yours, but I digress.
We may have cheap gas, but our workers don't get 7 weeks of paid vacation or the wonderful pace of life they have over there, which is why I travel to Europe as much as I can. Not to mention that they love diesels and do not share our obsession with SUVs, so their true out of pocket costs are similar to ours given that their cars, mostly Direct Injection Turbo-Diesel hatchbacks, get 50-100% better mileage than ours do.
As for your question, it is nearly all taxes. Oil costs the same on the world market, and the transportation and refinery costs in Europe should be similar to that in the US. Perhaps some of it could be placed on additional cost, but primarily it is their attempt to discourage the kind of mindless gas consumption that goes on in the US.
Back to my original point, which was not to minimize this 'pain' you seem to think they suffer under mercilessly, but rather make the valid observation that if you are used to high gas prices you don't feel the impact as greatly as if you are not, since you have structured your usage and vehicle choice accordingly. We don't have the mass transit resources they do in Europe, and thus drive many more miles a year than they do.
My problem with the current increase in gas prices, and the general structure of the petroleum market in general is that the oil companies raise their prices at any chance they get, but don't lower them when the opposite market or exterior forces occur.
And just so you don't misunderstand, I fully appreciate how easy we have it in this country and how much we consume.
We may have cheap gas, but our workers don't get 7 weeks of paid vacation or the wonderful pace of life they have over there, which is why I travel to Europe as much as I can. Not to mention that they love diesels and do not share our obsession with SUVs, so their true out of pocket costs are similar to ours given that their cars, mostly Direct Injection Turbo-Diesel hatchbacks, get 50-100% better mileage than ours do.
As for your question, it is nearly all taxes. Oil costs the same on the world market, and the transportation and refinery costs in Europe should be similar to that in the US. Perhaps some of it could be placed on additional cost, but primarily it is their attempt to discourage the kind of mindless gas consumption that goes on in the US.
Back to my original point, which was not to minimize this 'pain' you seem to think they suffer under mercilessly, but rather make the valid observation that if you are used to high gas prices you don't feel the impact as greatly as if you are not, since you have structured your usage and vehicle choice accordingly. We don't have the mass transit resources they do in Europe, and thus drive many more miles a year than they do.
My problem with the current increase in gas prices, and the general structure of the petroleum market in general is that the oil companies raise their prices at any chance they get, but don't lower them when the opposite market or exterior forces occur.
And just so you don't misunderstand, I fully appreciate how easy we have it in this country and how much we consume.
Please don't refer to people as "stupid americans". Are you French by any chance¿ Just letting those words come out of your mouth displays a massive amount of ignorance. For one, saying something along those lines in company of people you don't really know shows a drastic lack of tact, and intelligence. Secondly, YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!! If you do have a problem with Americans, f@cking move!!!
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While I share your of your outrage at the sheer arrogance and baseless assumptions made by "bichmgnt" (which is a name that screams maturity if I ever heard one), I don't really understand the anti-french or anti-german sentiment that has come out of our recent foreign policy in the middle east.
These countries are our allies, despite the fact that their citizenry and some of their political leaders did not agree with invading Iraq. I realize your (junglestylz) statement was more rhetorical than literal, but I am troubled by the increased nationalism that this country in general has shown following the September 11th attacks.
I don't really want to have this thread degrade into a political debate, but I would like to say that dissent and open dialogue are the soul of this nation and I cringe every time someone's patriotism is questioned for taking a position contrary to that of the current administration. No political party has a monopoly on patriotism.
These countries are our allies, despite the fact that their citizenry and some of their political leaders did not agree with invading Iraq. I realize your (junglestylz) statement was more rhetorical than literal, but I am troubled by the increased nationalism that this country in general has shown following the September 11th attacks.
I don't really want to have this thread degrade into a political debate, but I would like to say that dissent and open dialogue are the soul of this nation and I cringe every time someone's patriotism is questioned for taking a position contrary to that of the current administration. No political party has a monopoly on patriotism.
Two guys are sitting in a prison, shackled to a wall. One says to the other, "This is terrible. I've been here only a week and I've been beaten three times!"
The other guy starts to talk. " I've been here twenty years. Every morning they take me to a room and beat the bottoms of my feet with a broomstick. After that I get raped by two of the guards. When they're done they hook electrodes to my body and slowly electrocute me. Every afternoon I get whipped with a cane. Then I have hot pokers laid on my flesh which are allowed to cool before they're ripped off leaving an open wound. The next day it starts all over again. I've endured more pain than any living creature should ever have to suffer."
And the first one looks at him and says, "Yeah, but by now you're used to it."
The other guy starts to talk. " I've been here twenty years. Every morning they take me to a room and beat the bottoms of my feet with a broomstick. After that I get raped by two of the guards. When they're done they hook electrodes to my body and slowly electrocute me. Every afternoon I get whipped with a cane. Then I have hot pokers laid on my flesh which are allowed to cool before they're ripped off leaving an open wound. The next day it starts all over again. I've endured more pain than any living creature should ever have to suffer."
And the first one looks at him and says, "Yeah, but by now you're used to it."
I simply feel that the statement "stupid americans" is no better than the statement
"stupid n!ggers", "useless mexicans", "f@cking jews", etc. Ostersizing and stereotyping a certain group of people for a belief structure, nationality, or race, is not called for. If somebody want's to think it, than do exactly that and no more. It is irrational, and uncalled for, when people decide to use this language to spew their ignorant thoughts into society. The French comment in which I said before, was meant as a joke and nothing more. However, I did sign a contract saying that I would voluntarily go to war and die for this country if need be, and it bothers me to know that I am doing that to protect people that retain that point of view and yet live here. I am very proud to be american, and I love this country very much. I also firmly believe in freedom of speech , but there is a severe difference between making sincere durogatory remarks about a group of people, and voicing ones political opinion.
"stupid n!ggers", "useless mexicans", "f@cking jews", etc. Ostersizing and stereotyping a certain group of people for a belief structure, nationality, or race, is not called for. If somebody want's to think it, than do exactly that and no more. It is irrational, and uncalled for, when people decide to use this language to spew their ignorant thoughts into society. The French comment in which I said before, was meant as a joke and nothing more. However, I did sign a contract saying that I would voluntarily go to war and die for this country if need be, and it bothers me to know that I am doing that to protect people that retain that point of view and yet live here. I am very proud to be american, and I love this country very much. I also firmly believe in freedom of speech , but there is a severe difference between making sincere durogatory remarks about a group of people, and voicing ones political opinion.
Great story, and it illustrates the difference between $2.00/gallon gas and $5.00/gallon gas so well, that I am disappointed I didn't think of it myself. ![[rofl]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_rofl.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Back to the reason gas is so expensive in Europe, not to change the subject from the irrelevant drivel you have responded with . . .
I just got off the phone with my good friend who spent several years in europe working for BP as a petroleum transaction attorney. The price for crude oil is the same, the refining costs are the same, and the transportation costs are less, owing to the shorter travel from the North Sea. The difference is taxes, which are huge in the US as well (say $1 for a $1.80 gallon), but intentionally astronomical in europe, for the reasons I already mentioned. The governments are actively discouraging gas consumption and committed to mass transit.
Try to come up with an anecdote for that one. More importantly, try to respond to the points I made above directly, if you can.
Back to the reason gas is so expensive in Europe, not to change the subject from the irrelevant drivel you have responded with . . .
I just got off the phone with my good friend who spent several years in europe working for BP as a petroleum transaction attorney. The price for crude oil is the same, the refining costs are the same, and the transportation costs are less, owing to the shorter travel from the North Sea. The difference is taxes, which are huge in the US as well (say $1 for a $1.80 gallon), but intentionally astronomical in europe, for the reasons I already mentioned. The governments are actively discouraging gas consumption and committed to mass transit.
Try to come up with an anecdote for that one. More importantly, try to respond to the points I made above directly, if you can.