It's Baaaack!! '04 330cic Steptronic slipping AGAIN

E46_Driver · Feb 16, 2004

Re: Re: Logical response

Bmw 325i 7803 said:

All you can comment on is a typographical error? Not at all seeking legal recourse simply applying all tools at ones disposal to achieve a desired result. Should I now do a spell check for you simpleton?

Those that understand.... understand. Keep moving please you only offer petty sillyness.

Bmw 325i 7803 · Feb 16, 2004

Re: Oh come on....

E46_Driver said:

Your desired resolution is litigation........ And you have once again reposted exactly what you said earlier, only this time you included old news....

Since you will only accept solutions which "adhere" ( $10 dollar word of the night) to your narrowminded ideas, I am done with this " I'm attacking BMW to cash in, who want's to join" thread hijack.

Back to the informative thread it used to be, without the "drop everything" and file complaints posts, Thanks.

* No name calling please, lest I sue for verbal abuse and defamation of character, now stop making excuses for your inability to QC your writing..... [rofl]

See you made an error just like BMW has, proof nobody is perfect. But seriously, lets give this up nobody here is going to trade insults with you. [wave]

(goodbye)

Bryan330i · Feb 17, 2004

Let E46_Driver be. He likes to fight and apparently has nothing better to do.

I am sure all of you can see through this. Just imagine what the truth is regarding the REAL person behind this.

Just stop responding to him and he will go away. [thumb]

P. Eden · Feb 17, 2004

Update

Preamble: Sliptronic in '04 330 xi purchased new Dec. (03) forces replacement last month. Alas, replacement slips even worse, dealer suspects factory (?) did not send a "repaired" new one off the line, as promised to all.

Third tranny installed last week, I have only tested a little bit, cold (around 20 F) conditions, thought I detected a slight slip... but wife reports nothing in her more extended testing (and she can diagnose at this point). Shifting all around seems better than the 2nd unit. Methinks the replacement might be okay.

FWIW, dealer/service states "there were inspection marks all over it" when referring to this unit as compared to the first replacement which, evidently, had not undergone surgery.

LarryE · Feb 17, 2004

Re: Update

P. Eden said:

Preamble: Sliptronic in '04 330 xi purchased new Dec. (03) forces replacement last month. Alas, replacement slips even worse, dealer suspects factory (?) did not send a "repaired" new one off the line, as promised to all.

Third tranny installed last week, I have only tested a little bit, cold (around 20 F) conditions, thought I detected a slight slip... but wife reports nothing in her more extended testing (and she can diagnose at this point). Shifting all around seems better than the 2nd unit. Methinks the replacement might be okay.

FWIW, dealer/service states "there were inspection marks all over it" when referring to this unit as compared to the first replacement which, evidently, had not undergone surgery.

Can you define "slight slip"?

P. Eden · Feb 17, 2004

I hesitate to even mention this, because my only testing was at that low temp, and when throwing into Drive, I headed up a fairly steep grade. But, I "thought" that the revs climbed just a bit, e.g. 1500 rpm or so, before fulling grabbing - just momentarily. But NOTHING like the first two defective trannies wherein the slip was prolonged and revs clearly climbed to 2k and above before grabbing, i.e. in this instance indeed it likely was just super cold fluid and an incline. I will test again, but as mentioned my wife is tuned into this now, and she reports it has not happened with this most recent replacement.

E46_Driver · Feb 17, 2004

P. Eden said:

This thread is 23 pages long and people are still trying to diagnose the problem from in front of their computers. WAKE UP!! Call or fill out the complaint form at the following link:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

and post to the proactive thread:

http://www.bmwboard.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6548

Thanks!

LarryE · Feb 17, 2004

P. Eden said:

This is almost exactly what's happening to my replacement tranny. I shift into "D" ... rpms are at 800. I press down on the accelerator only lightly ... the rpms go to about 1200 with no additional increase in forward movement (doesn't seem to catch). Above 1200, it catches. This is not on an incline, and only when cold.

Please let me know what you find out. I am bringing back to dealer on this next week to see what the shop foreman thinks.

P. Eden · Feb 17, 2004

Again, I do think that this unit is okay i.e. fixed. Yours, though, sounds as if it may have not been (properly) remedied.

I will resist the urge to respond to that other asshole on this list, with his not-so-hidden agenda.

PE

bahnstormer · Feb 17, 2004

lets not use any vulgarities

Boston Bimmer · Feb 17, 2004

Awaiting a replacement tranny for my 2004 with less than 1k miles. I am confident that my dealer will fix the car to my satisfaction, as they want me as a customer and know this is my first BMW.

BUT - what bothers me is the fact that BMWNA potentially knew this problem existed and allowed the car to be sold to me, to be fixed at my own aggrevation and time.

The car was also shipped to me without the BMW assist activated, and they told me the part for this would be available in the next few months. I am not too aggrevated by this, but it points to a larger issue i feel

My discussion with BMW NA was fruitless - they have no interest in my being a long term customer

Kirby · Feb 17, 2004

Re: Oh come on....

E46_Driver said:

So far I have heard no constructive comments from you, just ranting. Most of the others here are providing constructive comments. And yes, I knew that this affected the xi and X5 months ago. And no, it doesn't change my opinion. Why would it?

Here's really how the nhtsa works. If there are no accidents, they might contact BMW about it at some point, but they might not. The ABS in my '95 Suburban was paraded by thousands of people WHO HAD ACCIDENTS and a few fatalities. After 5 YEARS, they determine the evidence was inconclusive. They wound up doing a limited recall on '96-'99 Chevy TRUCKS but not all Suburbans, even though they use THE SAME ABS SYSTEM.

Bottom line - the nhtsa isn't going to give a crap about this issue in the next year.

Mark MY words, what will happen is that BMW will issue a recall, which we all know is going to happen. We have already been told that! And then you will claim single handed victory as the advocate of posting to the nhtsa.

clb · Feb 17, 2004

I'm new here, so I don't know the history of this forum & discussion and who has what
agenda. That said...

I am shocked that so many people are satisfied with replacing the transmission of a brand new car as an appropriate and acceptable solution. I bought my car 2 weeks ago - BMWNA and my dealer were very aware of the problem. When I went to the dealer about the problem, the service rep's immediate response was "Oh, yeah, we'll have to get you a new transmission..." It's bad enough that BMW continues to sell cars with a KNOWN defect. But what's worse is that the dealer didn't take the 2 minutes per car it would take to test each of these vehicles before selling them. Instead, they sell the car, let you discover the problem, and then offer to replace the transmission in a brand new car.

If some people are satisfied with a replacement transmission, that is great - to each his own. But at least recognize that NOT accepting that as a solution is a legitimate response. In my case, it looks like my dealer is going to replace my car (only after much bit**ing on my part). If they do so, I'm satisfied. Not thrilled with their service, because they are failing to address the issue before selling the car, but satisfied.

BMWNA and local dealers will get sued over this, though, count on it. No doubt they know this, and have taken a calculated risk that the liability is worth it to avoid the disruption in sales. That is their decision to make - it's a business decision. But to condemn someone that wants to exercise their right to get a reasonable remedy to the situation doesn't make much sense. The issue isn't that the car has a defect - that's unavoidable. The issue is that they aren't dealing with the problem or informing the customer about it BEFORE selling the car.

Bryan330i · Feb 17, 2004

Re: Re: Oh come on....

Kirby said:

So far I have heard no constructive comments from you, just ranting. Most of the others here are providing constructive comments. And yes, I knew that this affected the xi and X5 months ago. And no, it doesn't change my opinion. Why would it?

Here's really how the nhtsa works. If there are no accidents, they might contact BMW about it at some point, but they might not. The ABS in my '95 Suburban was paraded by thousands of people WHO HAD ACCIDENTS and a few fatalities. After 5 YEARS, they determine the evidence was inconclusive. They wound up doing a limited recall on '96-'99 Chevy TRUCKS but not all Suburbans, even though they use THE SAME ABS SYSTEM.

Bottom line - the nhtsa isn't going to give a crap about this issue in the next year.

Mark MY words, what will happen is that BMW will issue a recall, which we all know is going to happen. We have already been told that! And then you will claim single handed victory as the advocate of posting to the nhtsa.

I am with Kirby 100%. NHTSA will do NOTHING.

mchas11 · Feb 17, 2004

Quick question - was anyone else told there was a national backorder on this tranny? My dealer (South Bay BMW) told me that was the case. If everyone else is getting theirs replaced, I should call them and find out what the deal is. I had a rental car for about a week and they told me to pick my car back up and they'd call me when they got a tranny in. Very strange...

LarryE · Feb 17, 2004

mchas11 said:

I was NOT told anything about a backorder. But that was back in December. Perhaps by now, with the volume ramping up, there IS a backorder. Don't know how to confirm that.

LarryE · Feb 17, 2004

clb said:

CLB ... you have a good point ... if there are dealers that are still selling cars (my guess is probably off the lot) with the defect then they are culpable. That kinda borders on deception, since the dealers have the ability to check this pretty easily. Mine was delivered with this problem and it wasn't discovered till 1500 miles (2000 by the time I got it into the shop). There are others who didn't discover the problem until many thousands of miles were on the car. For them, a new car is not as clear a resolution, and a replacement tranny is a satisfactory solution. Especially for those of us who waited months for a car on order, and who love the car otherwise.

For one thing, no one (that I know of) ever suggested that NOT accepting a replacement tranny isn't a legitimate response. Especially if you discover the issue pretty much as soon as you drive the car out of the dealer. On the other hand, it is unrealistic to expect BMW (or any other company) to replace 20,000 cars (and no one seems to know FOR SURE if they even have a complete handle on the problem and the correction ... although it is looking better and better lately ... meaning you could end up with a replacement car with the same problem). If you managed to get your car replaced, that's great! I may go down the same path if they don't succeed after one attempt to repair.

IMHO, I'm not so sure that we're going to see so many lawsuits. The problem's been out there for a good solid 6 months already, and I don't know of any. How cost effective is it, considering the expense of a good attorney? And think about what an attorney would have to go through to produce substantiation that BMW/BMWNA knows about this. Perhaps that is why no recall has been issued as of yet. Still, I agree with you that they are not dealing with this in an up-front fashion if they are still selling cars with the defect.

Kirby · Feb 17, 2004

clb said:

If replacing the transmission is not an appropriate and acceptable solution, please tell me what IS an appropriate and acceptable solution? Should I be demanding a new car? The Lemon Law requirements have not been met yet.

In my case, I was apparently one of the first five or so people to identify this problem in July of last year. I didn't buy the car with the knowledge that it was going to have this problem. What surprises me is that apparently a few people bought the cars AFTER KNOWING of this problem recently, bought them anyway, and now act indignant when they have to deal with the problem. That is just GOOFY!

Using your words, I believe that I am exercising my right to get a reasonable remedy, so why is MY decision being condemned by E46_Driver?? If you take the time to read back, you will see that he started the inflamatory comments. Two of many comments below, suggesting that we WAKE UP, that I don't realize there is a problem until a third transmission would be required, that I am not an average consumer, that I am not a regular and repeat BMW purchaser (funny how he knows so much about me but knows so little, I was just on the phone today with my dealer looking for another BMW for my daughter!)

E46_driver's atitude towards others opinions here is boorish.

From E46_driver:
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This thread is 23 pages long and people are still trying to diagnose the problem from in front of their computers. WAKE UP!! Call or fill out the complaint form at the following link.
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You have had TWO transmissions replaced and are waiting to see if a third is necessary THEN you might actually think there is a problem?? I offer to you that your reaction and expectation is not that of an average consumer. Absolutely certainly not that of a regular and repeat BMW purchaser.
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Kirby · Feb 17, 2004

Please provide me with verifiable proof that 20,000 vehicles have been affected. Otherwise, How does one respond to such a silly comment?

Bmw 325i 7803 · Feb 17, 2004

I agree with Kirby, especially with the "knowingly bought the car" if you knew about this problem you could have easily told the salesman to park your new car outside, and then start it up for you cold and back up 50 or so ft. and then put it in d and determine if you have the sliptronic or not.

It's Baaaack!! '04 330cic Steptronic slipping AGAIN

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