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what are you not understanding?
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Car_54 said:
This service bulletin is dated December 03. Updated to include the X5 on February 2004.
So to conclude folks:
1) This defect has been known and discussed by BMW for a very long time.
2) The service bulletin dd Dec 03 instructs the dealership to replace the transmission
3) These bulletins are in the public domain and can be found easily.
The people on here that have been "working with BMWNA" were either duped or are willing participants to this farce.
Lastly, please ignore me as stated previously.
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So to conclude folks:
1) This defect has been known and discussed by BMW for a very long time.
2) The service bulletin dd Dec 03 instructs the dealership to replace the transmission
3) These bulletins are in the public domain and can be found easily.
The people on here that have been "working with BMWNA" were either duped or are willing participants to this farce.
Lastly, please ignore me as stated previously.
Car_54
My buddy works at my BMW dealership and I had my car repaired in Dec. The Clutch Pack IS an acceptable fix. The clutch pack is a more resource intensive fix since the dealership is not allowed to open the tranny and a specialist must come in to do the work. This being said, This is why BMW prefers the Tranny replacement. BMW is only doing clutch pack fixes for customers who are really upset or parts are avail.... Those are the facts. My car and the owners wife's car were done on the same day.
What do you think the fix is in all of the replacment trannies?
My buddy works at my BMW dealership and I had my car repaired in Dec. The Clutch Pack IS an acceptable fix. The clutch pack is a more resource intensive fix since the dealership is not allowed to open the tranny and a specialist must come in to do the work. This being said, This is why BMW prefers the Tranny replacement. BMW is only doing clutch pack fixes for customers who are really upset or parts are avail.... Those are the facts. My car and the owners wife's car were done on the same day.
What do you think the fix is in all of the replacment trannies?
Blah Blah Blah Blah...Nope No Siree Blah
Per BMW directive transmission is to be REPLACED. There is no mention of ANYTHING other than replacement from BMW. I would rely on what is in writing from BMW vs. heresay. Sorry you accepted the party line. Clutch Patch will continue to slip and get increasingly worse. What dealership does your buddy work?
Good luck!
Per BMW directive transmission is to be REPLACED. There is no mention of ANYTHING other than replacement from BMW. I would rely on what is in writing from BMW vs. heresay. Sorry you accepted the party line. Clutch Patch will continue to slip and get increasingly worse. What dealership does your buddy work?
Good luck!
Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah...Nope No Siree Blah
You know... I just don't understand it. Why do you have to be so confrontational? If you have a difference of opinion, why can't you state it in a constructive way? I don't think you realize how obnoxious you are coming across. And you know what ... you may think that you are gaining friends and support from the masses for being this way, but you are not. People can see right through an attitude like yours.
There has to be something to what cdotger is saying because my dealer told me the exact same thing. There was a point in time when the replacement trannys were in short supply and there were people getting their clutch packs replaced instead. TSB or not. Why is it so impossible that this could be the case? Read your own TSB: "Correction:
'On a customer complaint basis only after verifying the above situation, REPLACE the transmission with the improved unit'". Where does it say that this is a directive and that no other solution will resolve the problem?
Take it easy guy. There are almost always logical explanations for differences like this.
Car_54 said:
Per BMW directive transmission is to be REPLACED. There is no mention of ANYTHING other than replacement from BMW. I would rely on what is in writing from BMW vs. heresay. Sorry you accepted the party line. Clutch Patch will continue to slip and get increasingly worse. What dealership does your buddy work?
Good luck!
Good luck!
There has to be something to what cdotger is saying because my dealer told me the exact same thing. There was a point in time when the replacement trannys were in short supply and there were people getting their clutch packs replaced instead. TSB or not. Why is it so impossible that this could be the case? Read your own TSB: "Correction:
'On a customer complaint basis only after verifying the above situation, REPLACE the transmission with the improved unit'". Where does it say that this is a directive and that no other solution will resolve the problem?
Take it easy guy. There are almost always logical explanations for differences like this.
car_54,
Not everything that is fact is written on paper.
The fix in the replacement trannies is the clutch pack fix.... period... So whether it is done by BMW at the dealership or not it is the same fix.... So clutch pack will not continually slip and get worse.... I really do not want to reveal the dealership that my buddy works at for privacy reasons.
Not everything that is fact is written on paper.
The fix in the replacement trannies is the clutch pack fix.... period... So whether it is done by BMW at the dealership or not it is the same fix.... So clutch pack will not continually slip and get worse.... I really do not want to reveal the dealership that my buddy works at for privacy reasons.
Please.......
Car 54, BMW does what is in their best interest and if you ever took a high school economics course you would understand best interest on the corporate level relies on actual and opportunity cost which includes just about everything from time, to parts, to money.....
Nobody has to prove anything to you, or reveal dealer sources, a little logic will tell you that it boils down to clutch pack on "Rebuilt" a.k.a Garbage Tranny at factory or clutch pack fix on existing tranny, now you go ahead and make your decision based upon those simple logical facts.
I had my tranny replaced and am sorry already, the new sig says it all.
Now, here is your trademark wave...
Car 54, BMW does what is in their best interest and if you ever took a high school economics course you would understand best interest on the corporate level relies on actual and opportunity cost which includes just about everything from time, to parts, to money.....
Nobody has to prove anything to you, or reveal dealer sources, a little logic will tell you that it boils down to clutch pack on "Rebuilt" a.k.a Garbage Tranny at factory or clutch pack fix on existing tranny, now you go ahead and make your decision based upon those simple logical facts.
I had my tranny replaced and am sorry already, the new sig says it all.
Now, here is your trademark wave...
Re: what are you not understanding?
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Originally posted by Car_54
This service bulletin is dated December 03. Updated to include the X5 on February 2004.
So to conclude folks:
1) This defect has been known and discussed by BMW for a very long time.
2) The service bulletin dd Dec 03 instructs the dealership to replace the transmission
3) These bulletins are in the public domain and can be found easily.
The people on here that have been "working with BMWNA" were either duped or are willing participants to this farce.
Lastly, please ignore me as stated previously.
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Is this the truth? How do I get a copy of this document?
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Originally posted by Car_54
This service bulletin is dated December 03. Updated to include the X5 on February 2004.
So to conclude folks:
1) This defect has been known and discussed by BMW for a very long time.
2) The service bulletin dd Dec 03 instructs the dealership to replace the transmission
3) These bulletins are in the public domain and can be found easily.
The people on here that have been "working with BMWNA" were either duped or are willing participants to this farce.
Lastly, please ignore me as stated previously.
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Is this the truth? How do I get a copy of this document?
wacky
Can you believe some dealerships are still offering a "software upgrade" to resolve this mechanical defect?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54131
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Can you believe some dealerships are still offering a "software upgrade" to resolve this mechanical defect?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54131
YES
Go to http://www.bmwtis.com. It will cost you $25 bucks. You will gain access to all BMW TSB's. Let us know if there is anything new.
Go to http://www.bmwtis.com. It will cost you $25 bucks. You will gain access to all BMW TSB's. Let us know if there is anything new.
E46 is Correct
E46 is correct
The only BMW sanctioned repair was to replace the transmission per their TSB. Dealers attempted many approaches to this issue. A software patch and a clutch patch were attempted and failed. I posted something here sharing someones pro-active stance that is getting results in regard to this issue: http://www.bmwboard.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7211
E46 is correct
The only BMW sanctioned repair was to replace the transmission per their TSB. Dealers attempted many approaches to this issue. A software patch and a clutch patch were attempted and failed. I posted something here sharing someones pro-active stance that is getting results in regard to this issue: http://www.bmwboard.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7211
Re: E46 is Correct
My question is this: Hhow do you know that "The only BMW sanctioned repair was to replace the transmission"? And don't tell me because that's what's in the TSB. Have you spoken to anyone from BMW who has told you that a clutch pack replacement AT THE SAME LEVEL OF DESIGN/PARTS AS IS IN THE LATEST REMAN REPLACEMENT TRANNYS is not a valid fix for the problem? And if what you are claiming is true, why do you suppose that there have been people on this very board who have reported success with the clutch pack replacement?
Be civil, please. I was.
My question is this: Hhow do you know that "The only BMW sanctioned repair was to replace the transmission"? And don't tell me because that's what's in the TSB. Have you spoken to anyone from BMW who has told you that a clutch pack replacement AT THE SAME LEVEL OF DESIGN/PARTS AS IS IN THE LATEST REMAN REPLACEMENT TRANNYS is not a valid fix for the problem? And if what you are claiming is true, why do you suppose that there have been people on this very board who have reported success with the clutch pack replacement?
Be civil, please. I was.
Interesting Message
Typed in a Google search "GM5 Transmission Problem" - second source down, from another BMW board - not sure it is an official service bulletin. Any thoughts?
From: Quality & Service Engineer @ dealers.bmwna.com
Subject: GM5 Transmission Delayed Shift Problem
Vehicles:
'03/'04(up to 11/03) E46 with M54 and GM5 Trans. 325iA, 325XiA, 330XiA, and from 03/03 325A/330A Coupe,Convertible, '03/04 (up to 12/03)E53 X5 3.0 with GM5 Trans.
Situation:
Excessively long delay (5-30 seconds) in gear engagement from Park to Drive on the first cold start. Problem occurs only once a day on the initial start-up.
Cause:
Unfavorable tolerances of forward clutch housing causing internal transmission pressure leak after overnight parking.
Service Fix:
Replacement of defective Transmission with updated unit.
Typed in a Google search "GM5 Transmission Problem" - second source down, from another BMW board - not sure it is an official service bulletin. Any thoughts?
Typed in a Google search "GM5 Transmission Problem" - second source down, from another BMW board - not sure it is an official service bulletin. Any thoughts?
From: Quality & Service Engineer @ dealers.bmwna.com
Subject: GM5 Transmission Delayed Shift Problem
Vehicles:
'03/'04(up to 11/03) E46 with M54 and GM5 Trans. 325iA, 325XiA, 330XiA, and from 03/03 325A/330A Coupe,Convertible, '03/04 (up to 12/03)E53 X5 3.0 with GM5 Trans.
Situation:
Excessively long delay (5-30 seconds) in gear engagement from Park to Drive on the first cold start. Problem occurs only once a day on the initial start-up.
Cause:
Unfavorable tolerances of forward clutch housing causing internal transmission pressure leak after overnight parking.
Service Fix:
Replacement of defective Transmission with updated unit.
Typed in a Google search "GM5 Transmission Problem" - second source down, from another BMW board - not sure it is an official service bulletin. Any thoughts?
Larry... I have talked to many tech people (friends) at BMW.... Clutch Pack replacement is a sanctioned repair... period.... Some people only believe what is in black and white... I mean seriously, what do they think is in the replacement trannies? Some magical fix.... Guess what it is the clutch pack fix..... Not worth our time larry...